If you tend to vote conservative can I ask a few questions - let’s keep it light and respectful!

[Holidayhavanas]

Full disclosure I tend to vote Labour, but I’m really interested to know if you tend to vote for the tories, what is your reasoning behind. the real shortage of qualified public sector workers for example teachers, social workers, police. A health service and education system on it’s knees. Police forces like Manchester and Met in special forces. I think that it’s symptomatic of years of underfunding. I work in the public sector and feel on a daily basis that the country is absolutely screwed. I assume most tory supporters would say it’s down to austerity but I feel it’s ideological cutting back on public funding. I’mgenuinely open to hear other views as I find it so depressing and just hope that it’s something I am missing. Let’s try and keep this respectful 😊

Wallace wants the NATO chief job, hence him coming out and backing the person most likely to win.

always been a previous Tory voter but unhappy with the current situation.

That said, I have no clue what Labour's policy's are on things other than to criticise what Tory's are doing. I mean how are Labour going to sort the cost of living crisis, what will they do about Ukraine? etc etc

No it’s just you quoting me time after time

I can only quote what you say 🤷‍♀️

I was actually shocked to see Wallace come out in support of Truss. I suspect that will have a real impact on the membership.

I'd say it actually started much earlier. The Brexit threads were very polarised and vitriolic, then the 'Tory voters are stupid or scum' very much showed itself on threads during the last general election.

It was another reason that I would not have considered voting for Labour, as I wouldn't want to align myself with a party whose supporters felt comfortable spewing abuse at people that disagreed with them.

Here’s another poster. Quote them not me. Don’t just read my posts I’m sure other people are more interesting. Hopefully…

Mnet is a site with lots of angry women and feminists. I don't really buy the "some anonymous person on the Internet was angry, so I won't vote whatever". Are we all supposed to Be kind now?

Me neither, and I’m suspicious of the subtext of ‘but I’m more than happy to align myself to a leader of a party who talks about picaninnies and letter boxes’.

Tbh this thread is just one where we can discuss politics without people making it the same as the others on here

No one has to be kind if they want to use mn as a way to have a go at people or let their anger out.

But a few of us have appreciated the civil discussion, maybe lost or can return

The civil discussion has been excellent. It’s a great shame about the derailment. Hopefully it can go back on course now.

Of course it’s not facetious. Trying to compare Apple’s UK tax to their global valuation is though.

In the past weeks i have seen more Tone Policing posts than I have Insulting people posts @MarshaBradyo. While I appreciate civil discourse, I am very suspicious of those who tell women off for being angry.

apologies if this has been said already. Husband comes from a staunch labour area and votes conservative, partly i think because lots of his relatives either go sick (when they arent) or work minimum hours and expect the state to fund the rest; whilst he works really long hours in stressful/high paid job and i guess he doesnt see why he should subsidise them.

Ok well that’s fine if you feel like that.

This is one thread amongst many that is aiming for civil discussion, which people can go along with or not

Describing other posters as being “like a rash” is exactly the sort of thing that people are referring to when they talk about the toxic discourse.

Describing other posters as being “like a rash” is exactly the sort of thing that people are referring to when they talk about the toxic discourse

In which case they really haven’t got much to complain about.

To answer the original question, I don’t get to vote in general elections in the UK, but I believed the rhetoric that Labour use about people like me, and would not like to see them gain office because of it.

I think that they would actively seek to punish me, and others like me, to make a point, even if they thought it would be damaging to the economy.

Although the Conservatives have been, and continue to be a poor government, I think that Labour would be worse. Their policies would risk discouraging investment, driving away success.

The sad thing is that you probably believe that, and don’t understand the dangers of describing a whole section of society of being like a disease.

I think that many in the Labour Party feel the same, which is another reason to be grateful that the good people of the UK tend not to vote them into power.

Conservative MPs and supporters have repeatedly described people as "swarming" and "infesting" society. Being a "plague" or a "cancer".

Confirmation bias is real, the first step to critical thinking is accepting that it applies to you and challenging it.

It’s a well known and used colloquialism @MsFrenchie. Now, please can we stop derailing the thread?

To go back to the question that a PP asked about whether those of us that support inheritance tax are likely to inherit much themselves or not.
I will likely inherit something from my parents if its not needed for care (which I think is fair, they do not agree though!).
I will use that to help my children get on the property ladder because without it, it will be very hard for them to do so without living with me for years whilst they save.
However, I wouldn't need to do that if home ownership wasn't the only way to have a secure roof over your head.
I'd much prefer it if everyone could access a secure home through either social housing or a private rental system that put the tenants security and wellbeing first.
I think you should be able to achieve that in a prosperous country. Other countries seem to do this better and I'm not quite sure why we don't.

I don't think private rental really works on any level at the moment. As an example I am private renting at the moment. Nice flat, decent landlord and letting agency always makes repairs on time etc. But because you have no long term security I'm reluctant to make improvements i would make if, say, I knew I'd live here for 10 years such as repainting my gate and front door.
Its not essential so my letting agent has never picked it up at an inspection. I don't want to raise it and risk being 'difficult'. I don't want to do it myself and move on in 6 months.
So rental properties become more and more shabby, and you get streets that look like a forgotten land.
Add in that you've no protection against rent increases. If this goes up in rent to the going rate now I'd be in trouble.
Luckily I'm soon moving in to my own home so it won't be my problem soon.... but I still feel its wrong!

Long, sorry.

No not 'be kind' (I hate that phrase because it seems to have been co-opted mostly by people that are anything but) but accept that other people have opinions that may be different, and that doesn't make it acceptable to be a complete dick to them.

Someone may vote for a different party, it doesn't mean that they are 'evil' or 'stupid' or 'bastards'. Or indeed racist (as the next poster implies!!)

I recognise some of the names here from numerous threads I've visited and there are a cluster of regulars who can be relied upon to turn up on anything vaguely political. This thread is the first in eons that has largely stayed on the politics and avoided the default "Tory bad; Labour good" back-biting, and it's refreshing.

I also think it's interesting that Wallace has come out for Truss. I tend to agree that he's throwing his weight behind the favourite as Noblegiraffe suggested, perhaps in pursuit of the NATO job, but I think whoever wins will keep him at Defence. It will be interesting to see how many of the also-rans feature in the next Cabinet.

I bloody hate be kind! Particularly when it's typically used to silence women from having an opinion....

Me neither, and I’m suspicious of the subtext of ‘but I’m more than happy to align myself to a leader of a party who talks about picaninnies and letter boxes’.

The other post I referred to, which followed the last one I quoted

I was on holiday so it's a been hazy but did Wallace decide not to run in the leadership contest? He seemed a decent option.

This thread is the first in eons that has largely stayed on the politics and avoided the default "Tory bad; Labour good" back-biting, and it's refreshing.

yes it is and a few of us saying the same I think pp is skipping some of these posts