Do you believe in any ‘conspiracy theories’?

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Just that really. If so, which ones? 9/11 an inside job? JFK murdered by the American government? 5G? Chemtrails? The royal family are lizard?

I always maintain I don’t believe in anything, but at the same time there’s so much I don’t know and I do believe the government are up to some shady crap that we will never learn about…

@Ivepaidmytaxes under what possible circumstances would Ukraine, which needs every penny and bullet it can get, shave off donations to send to ISIS, which FYI doesn’t exist like it used to anyway? I mean, at best it has some holdings in Mozambique and parts of Afghanistan. Ukraine has an interest in neither.

Be you moron or be you troll?

@Tukmgru neither, or maybe the US official I heard on the radio saying exactly this is.
Everyone knows the Ukraine is the biggest money laundering country going.

@Ivepaidmytaxes ’US official’ means exactly nothing. They elect sheriffs in some places and they are sometimes complete nut jobs. Judges too. Similarly, the last administration was populated by conspiracy theorists with axes to grind.

Weird how you just unquestioningly accept ‘a US official’ on ‘the radio’.

Name the official! Name the radio station! Your sources are most likely complete bullshit.

I lot of ‘aid’ money from the West gets completely misappropriated, on pretty much any country it’s sent to.

Westerners’ naivity in that regard is notorious and often a cause for laughter in 2nd/3rd world countries.

@Tukmgru not wanting a row with you, the station was either LBC or GB news, he was a military person didn't catch his name obs but that was what he said, the story was about how the US havent audited the money sent to Ukraine.

Could you send it to me as well please? Thank you!

@Ivepaidmytaxes it’s not a row, I’m making a point - you’ve just blindly believed someone who you can’t name, on a station you can’t remember, of a major and illogical claim. I ask again, why would Ukraine have anything to do with ISIS? Ukraine has its only shit right now, what with Putin trying to destroy it, and ISIS barely exists anymore. It’s not that it’s a cover up, it’s that it would be completely bloody idiotic for them to waste their time and money on it.

Also if it was LBC or GBN then I wouldn’t be the first time they brought on a conspiracist for clicks. The former had Maajid Nawaz and still has the likes of Dale and Ferrari. GBN has Farage and his homunculus, Darren Grimes, amongst other professional grifters. Not exactly the brains of the century.

Ffs get off your bloody high horse will you. Believe what you want that was the point of this post.

I went for a job a Porton Down as a scientist. I almost ran out after the interview screaming. But now I wonder if I should have taken the job

@Ivepaidmytaxes it is absolutely not the point of the post, no. I can’t accept that people should just ‘believe what they want’, because some of the lies peddled in the name of conspiracy are incredibly dangerous.

Your one about Ukraine, for example, might just seem a bit weird but actually there are legislators in the US who are batshit crazy and want to go after some laptop held by a guy who used to be in Ukraine (and is the current LEGITIMATE president’s son) more than they want to go after a brutal dictator like Putin; so if it gets into their ears that ‘Ukraine is sending US money to ISIS’ and they - like you - uncritically accept it, then they will try and reduce funding to Ukraine, leading to a catastrophic massacre unlike any we’ve seen in Europe for decades.

But yeah, it’s all just harmless fun 🙄

I hate, absolutely hate, how much conspiracy theorists can be so easily herded by bad actors, whilst at the same time denouncing everyone else as closed minded sheep.

Don’t waste any energy on a poster who cannot comprehend that there might be opportunists in the chaos of a war zone in a corrupt EE country that will take advantage of the influx of money and weapons from dozens of countries.

Source: me, Eastern European

But then how do you explain conspiracy theories that were proven ? We all see James bond, spooks, mission impossible ect how often do we get all the parts of a puzzle ?

"Senator Rand Paul, in a Senate floor speech on Thursday, explained why he is opposed to sending an additional $40 billion to Ukraine"

We knew Gaynor Cook. She had no doubt that her husbands death was natural.

@IncessantNameChanger What do you mean you ran out screaming?

No way did david Kelly commit sucicide! That’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s widely accepted.
Epsein did not commit suicide either.

The one I always wonder about is Robert Maxwells death.
Lots of theories, but he did have mossad connections’

@Hawkins001 I’m not sure any serious person outside of his home state considers Rand Paul to be anything other than a raving loon with no background or knowledge in anything other than riding on the coat tails of his father (who also is now all over the conspiracist sites).

Being elected doesn’t make you right. It makes you a politician. He has no authority to speak on this, or indeed much of anything else other than being a contrarian and a waste of oxygen.

@Hawkins001 so this is the difference between conspiracies - which are real, but often very boring and complicated - and conspiracy theories, which are usually fantastical and illogical.

There are no doubt things governments and other authorities don’t want us to know. They are magical, or satanic, or just illogical. They are quite mundane, most of the time, which is why conspiracy theorists - who often lack patience and the ability or training to undertake apply genuine research methodologies tend not to uncover them.

The basic rule of thumb is, the bigger the conspiracy the quicker it would take for someone to leak it (to a genuine standard, not rando on the internet says it standard). A lot of the really big crazy ones should’ve been proven almost immediately as so many people would have to be involved. And they’d be proven to the point that serious people would be able to verify them, which is usually not the case, not least because conspiracy theorists have their own internal standard at proof at odds with real world investigative, forensic or police standards.

@7Worfs LOL, nope very happy to believe that. Worked there for a long time.

However, I don’t believe for a second what that poster said about the Ukrainians sending ISIS weapons. As I’ve laid out before, ISIS barely exists, so it would be a pretty pointless endeavour. It’s just a stupid made up story, probably by the Kremlin (fits their MO), and we shouldn’t have to waste time talking about it.

Plus Ukraine is using the weapons it’s getting to great effect, and they know they’d get absolutely roasted if they were selling them to ISIS. It would be stupid, and it wouldn’t be profitable in the long term, as you suggest - you’d want to sell them somewhere non controversial where you could sell them on an ongoing basis.

You simply must try harder to make your nonsense make more logical sense if you want people to take it seriously or investigate it.

Absolutely! People in the west generally have no idea just bad it gets and what basic services they take for granted because there is comparatively speaking just about no corruption.

It's a conspiracy theory too - the rulers of those countries definitely don't want their corruption talked about and it's inconvenient for the west who launder the money and take fees for that.

So that's a conspiracy theory I think is true.

It's not that I necessarily believe these conspiracy theories... BUT there are very big convenient coincidences in the official accounts of:

Diana's death eg the white car driver
Titanic eg fire
9/11 eg WTC 7, new insurance, no fighter intercepts, flight 97
Covid eg came from near a bio weapon factory
Man who killed himself and was found in a bag in a bath
The numbers of Russians who fall out of windows
Jill Dando eg no investigation into Savile connection
JFK eg grassy knoll, mid air turning bullet, LHO being shot, mafia links
Denver airport, actually I believe this is a bunker or similar

I used to think Kelly was murdered but having read a biography of him I no longer think that. He had a long career in a very unpleasant area of work (biological weapons) and was involved in UNSCOM, which, to be frank, would have sapped anyone's will to live. By the end of his career he'd been sidelined. It all seems explicable and rather sad.

My department paid out tens of millions of dollars on the twin towers insurance policy (not too outing, every company in London could say the same). I was gutted to see it get a total loss so soon after it incepted but it's not remotely suspicious that the new leaseholder bought an insurance policy (and not remotely suspicious that it covered terrorism, all US commercial policies did at that time by default).

If they'd had any suspicion of what was going to happen they would have bought a better written policy which would have definitely paid out in full for both towers rather than ending up in court for years to get a payout which still left them billions underinsured.

Sadly this just isn't how cancer works.

It's not one disease with one cure, or even ten diseases with ten cures. There are tons of cancers (over 200) with different ways of working, and different treatments they respond to.

People often see cancer and think 'we treat it with chemo/radiotherapy', and assume that means all cancers could be 'cured' with one miracle treatment, but really chemo and radiotherapy are just very blunt instruments that we use to, in some cases, slow down or stop cancers in lieu of more individual, specific treatments being available.

It's not physically possible for there to be A Cure For Cancer in the way people think, the same way there isn't a foolproof Cure For All Diseases pill we can take.