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Ukraine Invasion: Part 28

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MagicFox · 24/06/2022 11:38

Thread 28 begins, thanks all for the company and resources

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Natsku · 06/07/2022 15:06

I think its a more religious country in general

MagicFox · 06/07/2022 17:46

BREAKING: The heads of MI5 and the @FBI have used an unprecedented joint speech to warn that China is their biggest “game-changing challenge”, with the UK doubling efforts to combat Chinese "activity of concern". 1/

twitter.com/haynesdeborah/status/1544713873957294081?s=21&t=chlMaIJtfoaGyTjD8CPsjg

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ScrollingLeaves · 06/07/2022 17:47

A Ukrainian woman to be proud of.

Ukrainian number theorist Maryna Viazovska is among the four winners of the 2022 Fields Medals, one of the highest honours in mathematics that is conventionally awarded to people aged under 40.

www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00470-3

disappointed101 · 06/07/2022 18:34

@MagicFox what does that mean? Can anyone expand?

notimagain · 06/07/2022 18:40

disappointed101 · 06/07/2022 18:34

@MagicFox what does that mean? Can anyone expand?

Not really sure about the “game change” bit, as I read it MI5/FBI are increasing worried about the level Chinese activities in the west, especially espionage…

MagicFox · 06/07/2022 19:01

@disappointed101 here's the full joint address:

www.mi5.gov.uk/news/speech-by-mi5-and-fbi

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minsmum · 06/07/2022 19:57

Russian embassy to the UN invite to other ambassadors mobile.twitter.com/SergiyKyslytsya/status/1544754443933163520 on the hypocrisy

ScrollingLeaves · 06/07/2022 20:36

@MagicFox · Today 19:01
@disappointed101 here's the full joint address:

www.mi5.gov.uk/news/speech-by-mi5-and-fbi

Thank you for that. China’s infinite patience and willingness to make gains by ‘grains of sand’ over a time span that gains them a mountain is so different from our own ways. Their motion is so slow we think they aren’t doing anything when they are.

Would a British person, say Dyson, groom a foreign business partner in apparent good faith then steal from them?

Am I right in thinking China has lots of ties in Africa, and now owns a lot there?

MagicFox · 06/07/2022 20:39

Is world war inevitable do we think? Within the next 10 years? Cos it sure feels like it at the moment

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katem98 · 06/07/2022 20:46

MagicFox · 06/07/2022 20:39

Is world war inevitable do we think? Within the next 10 years? Cos it sure feels like it at the moment

Bloody hopefully not

ScrollingLeaves · 06/07/2022 20:59

@MagicFox · Today 20:39
Is world war inevitable do we think? Within the next 10 years? Cos it sure feels like it at the moment

In a way that report about the Chinese and Russians generally weakening us a millimetre at a time, by any and various means, makes it seem more as though they can undermine Western/European countries then watch them crumble from their very foundations without an actual war.

Igotjelly · 06/07/2022 22:04

No I really don’t think it’s inevitable. I suspect a Cold War type arrangement is likely with grey(ish) hybrid warfare going on in the background and a significant amount of espionage.

Ijsbear · 06/07/2022 22:22

I don't think it's inevitable either. It's not impossible but certainly not inevitable.

MagicFox · 07/07/2022 07:08

I think it's all the moving pieces beyond Russia that are making me panic. Iran, Bosnia, China...At least Boris' demise is a bit of a distraction!

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Igotjelly · 07/07/2022 07:11

MagicFox · 07/07/2022 07:08

I think it's all the moving pieces beyond Russia that are making me panic. Iran, Bosnia, China...At least Boris' demise is a bit of a distraction!

But none of this is new, it’s just that you’re more aware of it.

MagicFox · 07/07/2022 07:26

That's certainly true, Jelly!

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Ijsbear · 07/07/2022 07:41

Igotjelly · 07/07/2022 07:11

But none of this is new, it’s just that you’re more aware of it.

Sometimes growing up sucks!

Key Takeaways

The Russian Ministry of Defense has not claimed any territorial gains since July 3, supporting the assessment that Russian forces are conducting an operational pause while still engaging in limited ground attacks to set conditions for more significant offensive operations.

The Kremlin continues to prepare for a protracted war by setting conditions for crypto-mobilization of the economy and largely initiating an operational pause in Ukraine.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations northwest and east of Slovyansk.

Russian forces continued efforts to push westward toward Siversk from the Luhansk-Donetsk oblast border.

Russian forces continued attempts to advance toward Bakhmut from the south.

Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks north of Kharkiv City.

Russian forces conducted unsuccessful ground assaults in northwestern Kherson Oblast.

Ukrainian forces may be setting conditions for a counteroffensive toward Kherson City.

Russian forces may be forming a new military unit in Mulino, Nizhny Novgorod Oblast.

The Kremlin continued to set conditions for the crypto-mobilization of the Russian economy in anticipation of protracted operations in Ukraine. The Russian State Duma adopted the third and final reading of a law introduced by the cabinet of ministers on June 30 that will allow the Russian government to oversee and regulate labor relations in Russian enterprises (both state and privately-owned).[4] This law, as ISW has previously reported, will allow government officials to recall workers from personal vacations, reschedule time off without employee consent, and require employees to work weekends, holidays, and nights. These measures allow the Kremlin to take much more direct control of most aspects of the Russian economy, including suspending rights and protections some workers would normally have.[5] The law must still be sent to the Federation Council before it reaches Russian President Vladimir Putin and is officially published, but the Kremlin is likely seeking to use the law to leverage domestic labor to maximize economic output and prepare for protracted operations in Ukraine.[6] Russia’s largest lead production plant reportedly stopped production on July 6 due to the almost-total halt of Russian metallurgical exports, and the Kremlin will likely continue to take measures to codify economic mobilization to offset or mitigate the effects of sanctions and the war on essential industries.[7]

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The Kyiv Independent, [07/07/2022 01:30]
⚡️Russia attempts to initiate informal UN Security Council meeting to discuss 'neo-Nazism' in Ukraine. [!!]

⚡️Ukrainian military: Russia has increased its fleet in the Black Sea.

Operational Command "South" of the Ukraine's Armed Forces reports that Russia has increased its naval presence in the Black Sea with five missile carriers, two submarines and a single amphibious assault ship. The fleet possesses 48 Kalibr type missiles.

⚡️Russian saboteurs attempt to break through Ukrainian positions. [unsuccessfully]

⚡️Reuters: British HSBC bank in talks to sell its Russian lending unit.

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UkraineNOW

📣 BNR (bnr.bg/): Bulgaria has blocked the salaries of Russian diplomats

❗️ Russian troops have captured about 22% of Ukraine's agricultural land — NASA
According to NASA Harvest satellite images, Russian troops now control about 22% of Ukraine's farmland. It is noted that winter crops such as wheat, rye, and barley are predominantly grown in these territories.
According to these data, part of the Ukrainian fields are no longer suitable for sowing due to shell and mine damages.

🖇 "Bayraktar", for which Lithuanians collected more than 5 million euros, was sent to Ukraine — Lithuanian Minister for National Defence Arvydas Anušauskas

[Reports of efforts to speed up heavy weopon deliveries to the front]

🛢 Bloomberg: The U.S. and allies want to limit the price of Russian oil to $40-60 per barrel

⚡️ Luhansk region is not 100% occupied – the Head of the Regional Military Administration [rather against other assessments]

📣 Zelensky: Artillery from our partners has started working powerfully, Russian losses will increase

"It is finally felt that the Western artillery - the weapons we have received from our partners - have worked very powerfully. Therefore, the losses of the invaders will only increase every week, as well as the difficulty of supplying them," the President said in his evening video address.

⚡️Russia no longer has the strength to attack in more than one direction of the front — Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Oleksiy Danilov
[this ties in with the reports of exhausted and drunken troops, the de-mothballing of ancient military equipment, the forced conscription of Ukrainian men in Russian-held territory and the lack of attacks yesterday. They may however be using a rest-time to recover and bring up more hardware]

Ukraine Invasion: Part 28
Ukraine Invasion: Part 28
Igotjelly · 07/07/2022 08:24

I see on Twitter that Lavrov is expected to attend the G20.

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 07/07/2022 09:04

The wonderful support for Ukraine cheered me up no end

Ukraine Invasion: Part 28
MagicFox · 07/07/2022 09:11

The Rachman review podcast is good today: an interview with former Estonian president Kersti Kaljulaid,

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MagicFox · 07/07/2022 09:12

Johnson has resigned

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katem98 · 07/07/2022 09:23

@MagicFox Ugh, better the devil you know I fear!

MagicFox · 07/07/2022 09:29

No. I think this is a good thing. He is not a good PM imo

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katem98 · 07/07/2022 09:30

@MagicFox Oh far from it! I just worry who will replace that's all.

MagicFox · 07/07/2022 09:32

Yes, probably the grotesque Raab

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