The country is a shit show - why is there so little mention of Brexit's role?

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That's it really.

Surely all our woes can't be placed at the door of covid and war - it is a good political narrative, but is it really true?

I'm amazed how little questioning by the media and public there is about the role of Brexit.

So Switzerland have an amazing, pioneering, massive nuclear lab. Doesn’t mean I or my children have the automatic right to go there, does it? Why would it? It’s not MY lab is it. Anyone who Switzerland WANT to visit their lab, will get a scholarship surely, for the purpose of business or scientific education/research etc. Anyone else .... why should they have the right? Just go on holiday if u like. Job done.

You're still not getting it.

There just won't be a demand for luxuries like cleaners, takeaways and dinners out if the price is too high. Wages in general are much too low for that. In a recession, these kinds of luxuries are the first things to go for most middle class people. So the jobs just won't exist anymore. Instead of 12 cleaners on the roster, there are now 4, because of the lack of demand. Restaurants will close down, making all the staff redundant.

You seem to think this is all some kind of 'gotcha' to the middle classes. I'm the kind of person you're talking about, and I will just tighten my belt. I won't hire cleaners or order takeaways. I won't get a coffee and a bun from the nice little independent place near work - I'll bring my own coffee in a flask and a bun from Aldi. I won't be spending money in the UK economy, I will be saving it up for the things I want to do, like travelling to mainland Europe. If things get really bad here, I can go and live there, with my nice EU passport. I have an in-demand skillset and speak several languages.

The only people this has screwed over are the people you seem convinced will somehow be better off.

You asked why anyone would want to. I can't imagine most grown adults asking that question.

NB - Anyone who doesn’t spend their life travelling, working, living in Europe has the mentality of a toddler (and the very many other various insults and name calling, that has/have been directed at leave voters) So please have a think .... who are the toddlers again??

This is the typical twisted Brexiter mentality.

The word 'surely' dropped in there, as if it's somehow a given that anyone who wants or needs to do anything will be accommodated. They won't be. You gave up the right to that when you voted Leave.

You might have a child who is amazing at science and whose life ambition is to work at CERN. Good luck with sorting that out now. There's zero incentive for them to jump through a million hoops to hire your child when they could take another candidate from Poland or Sweden.

You have chosen to make your world smaller, and make it smaller for everyone else as well.

You might think none of this is relevant to you because you don't want to go outside Little England anyway, but you haven't thought through all the ways it will be relevant to you. Increased prices of just about anything, including food, because of the extra costs of importing. Increased costs of builders and tradespeople. Fuel bills off the scale.

I do hope you've been saving up.

@pixie5121 your point is about as fucking irrelevant as it gets. Twisting yourself in knots about nothing. I know of ONE person in my whole life who has visited Switzerland/the lab and now lives there as a mathematician/physician. One person in my whole life. That’s no t enough reason to justify a ‘Leave’ or ‘Remain’ stance. You may know know people who aspire to work in Switzerland. They can do this anyway, if Switzerland want them. I just really don’t get where the venom comes from

No, someone who asks 'why would anyone want to go there?' when talking about one of the most beautiful countries in the world, full of stunning scenery, culture, scientific institutions and headquarters of everything from the UN to the International Olympic Committee, has the mentality of a toddler.

It's not about what YOU want to do.

Oh ok ... well, well, erm what about food prices then 😂

That's one tiny example! Do you not understand how to extrapolate?!

What's your point?

IT IS about what I want to do though isn’t it. Because it was MY vote. Accept that gracefully

It has been easier to use cheaper labour and I can see why people who will have higher wages prefer this over other benefits (which they may not see as theirs anyway)

It’d be interesting to consider what impact this has overall

I’m glad people will be paid better, but wonder what the other downsides would be, if any

It’s hard to discuss sometimes as people defend but I’m up for talking about upsides even though I voted remain

Well, no, but it perfectly sums up the mentality of Leave voters. Selfish, myopic people who are unable to see past the ends of their noses. This would be somewhat understandable if voting Leave actually improved their own lives, but it hasn't and it won't.

You've voted to make your own life much worse. I'll be fine.

Remainers are the selfish ones. For years they got used to having a ready supply of cheap labour prepared to do the work they didn't want to do themselves, at wages they wouldn't dream of working for themselves or allowing their children to work for.

Because your media, like ours (Australia) is owned by Murdoch? And as and as a result, nothing is published that runs contrary to his interests?

I don't know if brexit does benefit Rupert Murdoch, but I would guess that it did.

The EU treat us like a cash cow . In fighting put us in a very weak position for negotiations .

Wether we were lied to or not the info was there if you wanted to research it ,but most people just like sit back and blame .

@pixie5121 my point is that we are going round in circles. It’s pointless debate because we fundamentally disagree. That’s fine then. I responded to this thread due to the early comments about how Leave voters regret their decision and have fallen silent. Can’t you see why they are silent? They can’t be arsed with this. So I will leave your thread. Apologies for the gate crash. Feel free to get back to your whinging and bitching. Your very entitled but your doing yourself (as the Labour party) no favours. Sort it out Labour ✌️

Re the media Brexit is back on the agenda - if you listen to various outlets today

So no it’s not being silenced

I spent years working in shit minimum wage jobs during the recession. Despite having a Master's degree, I worked in call centres, cleaned hotel rooms and waitressed. I'm just not an entitled twat who thinks the world owes me a living.

And don’t rely solely on the media for your info EVER. Avoid that at all costs. You’ll get dragged into the bunfight and lose your independent thinking. You’re reasoning will be baseless and purely hijacked from someone else’s thinking. Turn off social media. That’ll solve a lot of your problems right there.

What was the economic model that you used that predicted improvements for most UK citizens on leaving the EU @P00rKids?

"I spent years working in shit minimum wage jobs during the recession. Despite having a Master's degree, I worked in call centres, cleaned hotel rooms and waitressed. I'm just not an entitled twat who thinks the world owes me a living."
But you are happy for others to work in jobs you admit are "shit"?

@TooBigForMyBoots What makes you think I used a single economic model to base my decision? I didn’t. If only it were that easy eh?

Anyone with an interest might like to read this piece by Fintan O'Toole, respected journalist with the Irish Times newspaper. In the article he mentions Brexit amongst other very pertinent things about the state of Britain today.

And remember that Brexit is the root cause of the NI Protocol issue, that may end up (if rescinded), making things very uncomfortable in NI, and affecting the ROI also. And for what? Oh I forgot, NI is doing VERY well under the protocol whereas the rest of Britain lags behind. Can't be having that now can we?

Quote:
"It is increasingly obvious that Brexit was not a new dawn of Britishness but a futile rage against the dying of its light. It is the swansong of English exceptionalism, a last gasp of the imperial delusion in which being treated merely as a normal European country was an unbearable insult."

www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2022/06/11/both-queen-elizabeth-and-boris-johnson-embody-a-polity-on-its-way-out-but-unable-to-depart/

Someone has to do them. Some people don't mind doing them, others do them for a fixed time while they're working out what else to do, or gaining qualifications.

You seem to think some people are entitled to be paid whatever they like for a job requiring no skills that anyone could do.

Why?