Boris and his fines part 4

[Roussette]

Previous thread. More to come on the subject matter

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@JaniieJones Should the Leader of the Opposition release his daily planning notes for each day, or just the days that you say he should?
Does it also apply to any other politicians?

Am I the only one who if they are going away from home for the day, plans when and where they are going to eat?

I think the problem that some Conservatives have with this is that they can't understand the concept of planning a party. This is presumably because they have to have at least one a day and spend most of the time sozzled.

Or does that only apply to those in Downing Street?

The amazing thing with Failings resignation is that Boris has since managed to find some even more useless Ministers.

Bloody hell the world has gone nuts. So the new scoop to distract from Number 10 having multiple piss ups over lockdown is incontrovertible proof that Keir Starmer DID NOT have a Christmas party. What an absolute swine he is, cancelling his Christmas plans and following the rules.

Wouldn't you rather have as the leader of your country someone who knows what a party is, than...

Henry Zeffman

EXCL: Keir Starmer is considering announcing that he would quit as Labour leader if found to have broken lockdown rules

The Labour leader is taking soundings from colleagues on whether he needs a new position to reflect the reality of a long investigation. Several have told him a bold pledge to resign would help him regain the political initiative and turn attention back onto the PM

Crucially:

• Starmer remains adamant he did not break the rules, so thinks he won't be fined
• Few believe he could carry on if Durham finds against him. He's made integrity core to his leadership

No decision yet - and may be too risky - but Starmer may say something today

twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1523615481676333056?t=QGt_a7WEpXwfLnYBBE8QTA&s=19

I strongly suspect though that for all that CPHQ are milking beergate (mixed metaphor there!) for all it's worth, in practice they are shitting themselves about the lost votes in SE England. Where most seats weren't up for election this time, but don't forget that they also lost a lot of seats last year. This was disguised by an emphasis on what was happening to Labour.

Do you mean like Wokingham where the Tories lost 5 of the 6 seats they previously held?

I am sure that John Redwood is such a popular constituency MP and completely in tune with the views of his constituents that he would not be the least bit worried about that come the next GE.

Yes, places like Wokingham, or still well-heeled Oxfordshire where I live, where only one of five District Councils is now Tory. Two of the Councils being lost last year, but because they didn't go to Labour, nationally it didn't make much news.
One of these was South Oxfordshire, which includes Henley - NOC since last year.

Tiverton and Honiton by-election is interesting. A seat that was created in 1997, has only had Tory MPs and in each consecutive election the size of the Tory majority has increased, such that Mr Parish received 60.2% of the vote last time.
The next nearest candidate had less than 1/3 of the votes that Parish recieved.

Surely Boris can't spaff such a huge majority as that up the wall?

'or still well-heeled Oxfordshire where I live'

@JaniieJones Do you have a prediction for the Tiverton and Honiton by-election?

@Peregrina - (like NI) because we have multi-seat wards, there's a quota for the first round, which may or may not be reached by a candidate(s) before it goes to the reallocation for subsequent rounds.

The difference with NI is that our voting is counted on computers (they look like printers), so after the initial validation, it's dead quick as the computer does all the reallocating for the various rounds until it gets to "last man standing" Hence why we could report our results on Friday

'or still well-heeled Oxfordshire where I live'

Meaning that a District Council which includes Henley ought to be the bluest of blue, forever.

Oxfordshire does in fact have some real pockets of deprivation.

prettybird - thanks for that. I was wondering why Scotland could count quickly but NI seemed to take forever.

Do we know when that will be?

Beth Rigby
🚨NEW: Starmer to make a statement on the Durham police investigation at 4pm. Understand he will offer his resignation if issued with a FPN. His team adamant he’ll be cleared & this an attempt to draw line between Starmer & Johnson that not all politicians are the same

Not sure if that will go down well with CCHQ

Steven Swinford

CCHQ advised all ministers this morning NOT to call for Keir Starmer's resignation - they said to instead to focus on hypocrisy

It sent a terse reminder after Michelle Donelan came close to doing so during the morning broadcast round

Surely Boris can't spaff such a huge majority as that up the wall?

A similar picture then to N Shropshire where a candidate resigned in disgrace.

I suspect though that after two such thumping losses, Chesham and Amersham being the other, the Tories won't be as complacent next time.

Duncin great minds think alike!

Just coming on here to post that.
Well done him.

All politicians are not the same. And Keir Starmer knows this is about the party, and will resign for the greater good of the party.
Unlike Mr. FPN Johnson who would rather grind his party into the dirt... than resign.

God he's just so tedious isn't he. Who gives a rat's ass if he resigns or not if he gets an fpn.

The point is he should apologise for exploiting grieving relatives and harping on about CakeGate when he was doing exactly the same.

Thanks for the compliment Roussette

You do know those families gave their permission for Starmer to speak on their behalf?

Exploitation, my arse

Except he wasn't.

He had 1 work meeting in 2021.

Johnson has more than 10 parties in 2020 whilst people were in lockdown to protect the nhs as there weren't enough bed and enough knowledge of the virus.

I seriously fail to comprehend how someone as intelligent as I believe you are struggles to understand the basics of this

God he's just so tedious isn't he. Who gives a rat's ass if he resigns or not if he gets an fpn

What is tedious about having a moral compass and doing the right thing?

And by the way, the only person I see banging on about exploiting grieving relatives is you. That is honestly the truth.

He is a far more honest man than Mr. FPN break the Ministerial Code and lie Johnson.