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Roussette · 2022-05-07T17:39:59+00:00

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DuncinToffee · 14/05/2022 10:50

the messaging approach worked very effectively

The messenger is the problem, not the Uk public

MarshaBradyo · 14/05/2022 10:59

The other thing about the general concern re compliance at the start it meant spi B and behavioural scientists were heavily involved

I would have been happier not to have that (past initial stage) but I can see it worked

If you wanted high compliance you’d be more likely to welcome the initial concern which meant it was set up

ClaudineClare · 14/05/2022 11:14

From Private Eye.

ClaudineClare · 14/05/2022 11:16

Sorry, don't know why that has posted sideways!

the80sweregreat · 14/05/2022 11:18

The messaging was relentless at first.
They threw everything at it.

Notonthestairs · 14/05/2022 11:21

The Sun was another newspaper that had a Christmas party in December 2020 - they also "struggled" with covering Partygate.

DuncinToffee · 14/05/2022 11:30

Mike Galsworthy

Given the PM works from home…

…do his comments about fridges, cheese, coffee & absentmindedness explain why he didn’t know his own Covid rules?… or explain perhaps how he never got round to reading that his own “oven ready deal” had a clear customs border down the Irish Sea?

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Roussette · 14/05/2022 11:32

Of course the public complied, they were scared! A lot of them were, me included. The heartbreaking Italy footage was so moving and then knowing we were moving in that direction. Then there was the daily briefings designed to put the fear of god into everyone. There was no sign of vaccines, so many people on ventilators and dying. I was worried about my DH who has some health issues, we did as we were told.
We thought they knew best and never thought they ignored these strict restrictions. I thought we were all in it together. Well... we were... except for the government

So, whilst I didn't go through what some people did losing someone, (although I 'attended' two online funerals) I am just angry that they carried on boozing and partying and wine fridays and all of that. I'd like to think there were some good people in government who just walked away from this sort of thing, shaking their heads at what was going on with that party culture.

And I'd like to think that some non strident tory voters will think twice before they vote for them again.

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the80sweregreat · 14/05/2022 11:40

The footage from Italy pre lockdown on sky news in particular was scary , but some of it was from a previous disaster of some kind ( they showed a room full of coffins, sorry I don't mean to upset anyone)
I only found out months later, but whoever decided to broadcast it in relation to the virus did a great job of scaring me I must admit. I think a lot of things were hyped , but that's only through the hindsight lens. They had to get the message across about isolating and following the guidelines.

MarshaBradyo · 14/05/2022 11:43

The point was that that early concern about compliance resulted in heavy messaging throughout

without it compliance would have been lower

so if you wanted it to be high - and I would guess most on this thread would - you would welcome that early concern and groups set up as a result

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Roussette · 14/05/2022 11:48

the80sweregreat · 14/05/2022 11:40

The footage from Italy pre lockdown on sky news in particular was scary , but some of it was from a previous disaster of some kind ( they showed a room full of coffins, sorry I don't mean to upset anyone)
I only found out months later, but whoever decided to broadcast it in relation to the virus did a great job of scaring me I must admit. I think a lot of things were hyped , but that's only through the hindsight lens. They had to get the message across about isolating and following the guidelines.

I was thinking of the strict lockdowns they had, they were the first European country to do so, and the singing on the balconies, and one particular town in Lombardy that had so many dead. I just knew we were going that way and it was so scary.

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Piggywaspushed · 14/05/2022 11:50

We of course have no evidence that Covid was not spread around Downing Street by these , or similar , gatherings, and that some people - or their wider family and acquaintances- weren't significantly ill. To suggest that they 'partied on' because they knew the virus was not harmful is conspiracy theory stuff.

cakeorwine · 14/05/2022 11:51

MarshaBradyo · 14/05/2022 11:43

The point was that that early concern about compliance resulted in heavy messaging throughout

without it compliance would have been lower

so if you wanted it to be high - and I would guess most on this thread would - you would welcome that early concern and groups set up as a result

Wasn't the initial messaging to "Wash your hands to the tune of Happy Birthday"?

It took a while for the messaging to become heavier and for lockdown to happen.

No doubt this reasoning will come out in the Covid enquiry. Why did we take so long to lockdown?

Piggywaspushed · 14/05/2022 11:52

Spi B are highly qualified epidemiologists and behavioural scientists. Their input is extremely valuable. Human behaviour and viral spread has been considered for centuries. It's not a new fangled bunkum.

DuncinToffee · 14/05/2022 11:53

Yes it was extremely scary seeing those images and knowing it was coming our way and the government continued to dither.

DuncinToffee · 14/05/2022 11:55

No doubt this reasoning will come out in the Covid enquiry. Why did we take so long to lockdown?

I have no faith in the enquiry or at least the publication of it.

MarshaBradyo · 14/05/2022 11:56

I’m not sure what people think I’m saying

I know spi B is put together with experts

the U.K. is well regarded in terms of behavioural science and has been for a while

I was counteracting the earlier posts re Johnson being concerned personally due to his personality etc

it wasn’t just him it was scientistic advisors and Spi B was set up as a result

if you wanted high compliance throughout you wouldn’t be unhappy about that as it would work in your favour

Notonthestairs · 14/05/2022 12:02

I'm not going to blame the Government messaging - the issue is that Downing Street set legislation for the public and then from a very early stage acted as if it didn't apply to them.

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Roussette · 14/05/2022 12:03

Why did we take so long to lockdown?

Don't get me started on that!
Dido Harding, Johnson's chum, was on the Board of the Jockey Club and that's the reason the Cheltenham Festival went ahead just before lockdown came in. Between 60 and 70,000 attended every day, a lot travelled from Ireland, and was a massive superspreader event that sent people into hospital and on ventilators.

Then we all know what Dido did next don't we.... she fucked up track and trace to the tune of £37 billion, then scuttled off not to be seen again. Never mind, she has a place in the Lords...

Rant over.

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DuncinToffee · 14/05/2022 12:06

Notonthestairs · 14/05/2022 12:02

I'm not going to blame the Government messaging - the issue is that Downing Street set legislation for the public and then from a very early stage acted as if it didn't apply to them.

Exactly

cakeorwine · 14/05/2022 12:09

Notonthestairs · 14/05/2022 12:02

I'm not going to blame the Government messaging - the issue is that Downing Street set legislation for the public and then from a very early stage acted as if it didn't apply to them.

Like I said - was there a Covid risk assessment for Number 10 Downing Street, what procedures were in place to reduce the risk of it spreading internally, what was the policy on gatherings in Number 10, handwashing, mask wearing - and were they taken seriously?

I know what we did in our workplace when we had to come in. People very clearly socially distanced and we only had a maximum number of people in a room with ventilation and only if we had to.

We were a bit more relaxed in 2021 as vaccines and treatments were developed.

DuncinToffee · 14/05/2022 12:10

Roussette · 14/05/2022 12:03

Why did we take so long to lockdown?

Don't get me started on that!
Dido Harding, Johnson's chum, was on the Board of the Jockey Club and that's the reason the Cheltenham Festival went ahead just before lockdown came in. Between 60 and 70,000 attended every day, a lot travelled from Ireland, and was a massive superspreader event that sent people into hospital and on ventilators.

Then we all know what Dido did next don't we.... she fucked up track and trace to the tune of £37 billion, then scuttled off not to be seen again. Never mind, she has a place in the Lords...

Rant over.

Don't forget Matt Hancock in this

Peregrina · 14/05/2022 12:13

Don't forget that there are still people isolating and not mixing socially, despite the latest variant not appearing to be so severe and despite vaccinations.

Somehow, the Downing Street complex protected people from viruses.

Notonthestairs · 14/05/2022 12:14

It would be very odd if a workplace covid risk assessment hadn't been carried out in Downing Street.

But then given the puppy gate stories of trying to fence Johnson in behind chairs and stop him wandering about when he had covid I wonder whether the PM and others didn't pay much attention to it.

DuncinToffee · 14/05/2022 12:20

That's what makes it so hard to believe that he was seriously ill with Covid.

And wasn't Carrie pregnant at the time?