Anyone watching Amber heard take the stand?

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Really not sure what to think tbh.

As I'm here and commenting, I'm just going to add that the comments judging JD for his drug/alcohol abuse would NEVER have been levelled at a woman who's been abused. There is quite literally zero evidence anywhere of JD abusing her, and tons of actual evidence which shows that she abused him. If the roles were reversed we would be horrified at the victim-blaming and the excuses being made for the abuser. The only difference here is that the victim is male and the abuser is female. Reverse the sexes and not a single person would believe what AH is currently claiming. This makes me so sick to my stomach.
@SpidersAreShitheads I agree 1 million percent.

You can see her on the stand trying to think of the lies she said beforehand.
She's getting narky because she knows the game is up.

If she had been raped by a bottle that's definitely one injury you would have to get seen too
Something like that could kill you.

Always knew she was lying.
And hopefully Johnny wins and he's vindicated.

Also agree.

Her witness doesn[t like her, its clear.

Is it these photos?

I also think any analysis of the situation that doesn't take into account the large age difference and the fact that he was far wealthier and in a more powerful position, surrounded by his staff and security and deep into his addictions, not to mention the way he's on record speaking both to and about her ("shut it, fat ass", "don't pretend to be authoritative with me, you're nobody's mum", nobody will be interested once her tits start to sag, etc), is completely missing the most fundamental thing about this. He had the power, he had the upper hand and he had no compunction about completely degrading her. He's still doing it. You don't have to like her or think she's a great person/ 'perfect victim' to see that fact. He's the abuser in this scenario.

Totally agree that this is a very important point. AH’s article was after all about the systems that protect powerful men. As an aside I think it’s clear JD has a deep seated hatred of women. The way that witness said he talked about his mother and compared AH to her when she tried to stop his drug taking. It’s interesting that he seems to idolise his father despite admitting he was also violent. Makes excuses for dad that he was driven to it by evil mummy. Some deep seated issues of blaming the women in his life for everything is the impression I get. And honestly those texts about the mother of his children are disgusting, imagine how poor VP feels. Probably regretting being a character witness for him I imagine!

They all get invited on holiday with them?

No wonder they heard them argue.

There was zero privacy in this marriage. If there was, it seems to me that AH filmed it.

You might want to see one of the 'originals' in that series taken at the same time.
Your version is from a tabloid.

He still didn't hit her.
She's admitted to that.
Amber's the abuser.
No amount of her being a little woman and helpless changes that.

She's been caught out on countless lies.
Private texts are not the same as slicing someone's fingervoff and saying they sexually assaulted them with a bottle.
Which she has no proof off.

Also said she'd be believed if she went that way.

Funny her saying she wanted nothing from him but has demanded 3 of the penthouses. I cannot imagine how many battered wives would want to live near their ex....

Any man who says they should ‘burn’ a woman’s body, even in jest, is not the hero in the scenario by any means.

Amber Heard might be any name you want to call her under the sun but that doesn’t absolve JD of the many vial and unbecoming things he is on record/video/instant message as having done. If AH is any of the things people say she is there is no side to be on here hence why a judge ruled him to be a proven wife beater regardless of any extenuating circumstances.

Imagine AH and JD were both non-famous and she started a MN thread about doing drugs with an allegedly abusive drunken drug user… We wouldn’t be holding up the DP as this bizarre hero figure.

Plus he uses that Jack Sparrow act to put a positive spin on the figure of the alcoholic.

He still didn't hit her.
She's admitted to that.

When did she admit he never hit her?
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Private texts are not the same as slicing someone's fingervoff and saying they sexually assaulted them with a bottle.

when did she slice his finger off?

Which she has no proof off.

What kind of proof are you looking for? Do you think these people had 24/7 CCTV.

I’ll say it again: if you have never lived with an addict you have no idea what they can be like. They are always abusive, usually remember nothing the next day and are extremely self pitying and righteous. They break things and only half the stuff in your house is in tact or working order, and they don’t care because buying new stuff means they have less money for their addiction. They hate you because they see you as standing in the way of the thing they want the most. You are deluded, and frankly stupid, if you think any addict who gets to the point of violence is a really nice person to their partner all the time.

Seriously if you don’t know what it’s like your opinion on your beloved Jack Sparrow isn’t valid.

😂😂😂

There were three of them in this marriage: him, her and Amber's phone! 😄

He still didn't hit her. She's admitted to that.

Really? She's never said he hit her? Even if that's true, she's said he head-butted her, raped her with a bottle and threw things in her face, so I'm not sure not hitting is either here or there.

What kind of proof are you looking for? Do you think these people had 24/7 CCTV.

They did have Amber's phone which was sort of performing the same function, though!

@LetitiaLeghorn i imagine getting your phone out to film isn’t easy when you’re being assaulted.

I was in a long term R with a man who spiralled into a major addiction. I didn't speak to him or act toward him at any point EVER like Amber Heard did. I said some very harsh stuff to him often but not aggressive, nasty, belittling stuff, more tough love stuff. There's nothing to gain by kicking an addict when they're down. And it NEVER led to me being physically abusive toward him and that's because I'm not an abusive person.

Did your ex act like Johnny Depp?

Completely agree.
And if it were a MN thread and then people found out about the age gap, the position of power and so on then they would be telling her to get the hell away from him because he was abusive and his behaviour was not normal and would drag her down with him.

It's so worrying how much people buy into the villian and innocent hero narrative so easily just because that's the one being put out there, even though it's quite clear that his behaviour was disgraceful.

He still didn't hit her.
She's admitted to that.

When? She's said loads of times that he hit her

Well I lived with an addict and I DID snap back, call names and tell him to fuck off because when you spend every waking moment of every day with someone who is nasty, too preoccupied with their next ‘hit’ and never ever EVER sober it’s really fucking frustrating.
We have all been on nights out with mates when one gets too pissed and we have to look after them. We get home and think thank fuck that’s over. Now imagine that friend, every day. Except they live with you, are supposed to contribute to household life (but don’t) and you often put up with it all day. No one in their right mind is sickly sweet and nice the whole time to them. And if you are than that doesn’t mean you’re any better, it just means you’re a bit more of a walkover than the rest of us.

Exactly. There are different dynamics and different things that happen in relationships with addicts.

My ex was an addict among other things. I definitely snapped back, called him names and told him to fuck off etc too. I didn't want to be in the relationship and he kept me trapped there with suicide threats and making me feel sorry for him, while also making me miserable with his addictions. I was very very angry at times, bad enough that he forced me to stay, but to force me to stay and then act like a cunt on drink or drugs. I had a lot of anger.

There were times he would come home after staying out for 2 days, normally carried home by someone else, he would lie on the floor of the toilet getting sick, this horrible black sick, and he would wail like a wild animal, he would take at least 2 days before he'd be sorry and start love bombing and apologising and begging me not to leave him. So of course the next time he was wailing like a wild animal covered in sick I was fucking furious, and then the next time, and the next time, I suffered a huge amount of trauma because of him.

Finding it astonishing all these people who are saying that Amber is doing women and abuse victims a disservice who are completely ignoring everything Johnny did, completely ignoring the context of the environment she was in at the time and painting Johnny as a saint/angel/hero/the real victim.

So so worrying.

💐To both of you. I just don’t think people realise how terrifying and traumatising addictions can be for loved one. I suppose it’s not something people discuss much in detail.

I agree with many point's on both sides.shes massively undermined herself become she's over egged her pudding.
Bring repeatedly hit in the face and strangled....with a ringed fist and yet no evidence
This is the problem.

Re Johnny

His drink and drug's has clearly massively affected his daughter he himself said VP was on the phones for 5 long hours trying to drum into him that lr is traumatized by the drinking.

He's Also made extremely narassitic comment's.

Moser,it's hard to understand the sheer fear,worry and overwhelming burdon of being with someone whose behaviour is that extreme.

I just don’t think people realise how terrifying and traumatising addictions can be for loved one. I suppose it’s not something people discuss much in detail.

No and there’s still a big stigma around addicts. I blame the likes of A Star Is Born and other films and TV shows that romanticise addiction, often they’re the only exposure to addiction people have, and how easy it is to overcome, and it’s the least bit based on reality. Jonny Depp can afford the world’s best therapy, most people can’t. But before he goes to therapy he has to admit he needs it. That’s the hardest, and most significant part for addicts and those who DO make it to therapy usually relapse, 3 or 4 times, and end up back. I’m pleased he’s clearly getting better, because it’s a horrible illness that no one deserves to suffer from, but the fact is there’ll be months worth of memories that he can’t remember. There’ll be vile things he’s done that he has no recollection of. And his, and other people’s, gall and anger that a woman had the nerve to push back to a violent and unhinged man shows just how much women’s rights have regressed of late.

I just WISH people would admit that they think the rules are different for him because he’s rich and famous. If Amber came on here and said her office worker husband was getting pissed at 8am, breaking furniture, verbally abusing her and she filmed it all, nobody would say “oh my god what a goady cow for filming him” they’d be saying take the footage to the police. But you think JD should be protected from his abusive behaviour being exposed? Why? Because he’s good at his job? Because Jack Sparrow gives you the lols. Take a fucking good look at yourselves, it’s embarrassing.