Anyone watching Amber heard take the stand?

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Really not sure what to think tbh.

So where is this mystery footage? Is it in the same place as the footage of Amber practicing her crying that we’ve never seen?

My daughter was a victim of domestic abuse. I feel so much anger towards AH as it will be used to undermine so many genuine victims. I do think she has some sort of personality disorder, but that's no excuse for this fiasco.

I also think JD is suffering what many victims do - he's not the perfect victim that courts and the media seem to like. Women who have drink or drug problems or who have any kind of "past" are treated appallingly by the justice system. We are seeing the same thing in play here.

Possibly missing from submission, like the evidence of Heard's injuries and medical reports, the META detail of the photos that appear doctored (no pun intended) and the phone content that they have allegedly declined to allow access to.

My personal opinion is that JD and AH were likely both similarly aggressive and potentially violent to each other. I'm as confident as I can be to think she is lying and embellishing incidents, though, which makes me wonder why?

Possibly missing from submission, like the evidence of Heard's injuries and medical reports, the META detail of the photos that appear doctored (no pun intended) and the phone content that they have allegedly declined to allow access to.

My personal opinion is that JD and AH were likely both similarly aggressive and potentially violent to each other. I'm as confident as I can be to think she is lying and embellishing incidents, though, which makes me wonder why?

Apologies for double posting, had the black box of death 🙄

I've stopped being interested, I'll wait for the telly series. It probably won't have any relationship to reality but then it's getting to be that this hearing is much the same.

I don't think there is cctv footage. The lawyer said that two witnesses will confirm they saw it on the cctv. The recording will have long since gone because there was no court case to save it for.

I’m glad to revisit this thread and see how the majority of people are finally seeing what some of us have seen from day one.

Amber Heard is a liar. She is a narcissist. She is a manipulative, nasty woman.

She has done DV victims all over the globe a huge disservice, as for years to come, regardless of the court case outcome, women will be reluctant to come forward and testify against their abusers as a result. They will fear they won’t be believed and will be seen in the same light as AH.

I can only hope that after this trial she crawls under a rock and never comes back out from under it.

I’m just not seeing it. I think some of his lawyers questioning is embarrassing. The thing where they were trying to suggest the coke breakfast table was staged? Are they really trying to suggest Depp wasn’t taking coke and whiskey for breakfast? The medical records where she’s stated to be a ‘well nourished male?’

The more she talks the more I see a very accurate depiction of a young woman in a toxic relationship with a very unwell addict who’s behaviour turned aggressive when he perceived he to be stopping him from getting his next hit. The audio recording when he was pleading with her to let him ‘do his thing’. You can hear the desperation in her voice, she really thought she could talk him out of falling back into addiction each time. Poor woman.

As for her verbally abusing him, calling him a has been, calling him names, totally normal behaviour. Not wanting to report/make public the extent of their/his problem, Totally normal. It’s very weird to hate someone you love because of what substance abuse turns them into because there is always a feeling of deep sympathy that they are so ill and can’t see it for themselves. The recording where she admits to hitting him, it’s clear they are talking about an altercation where he was trying to follow her into a room. Yet there is recordings of him admitting to ’getting physical’.

It also struck me that she described taking pictures of him as proof (been there , done it’s) because he was surrounded by security who essentially treated him like a child. Cleaned up after him, put him to bed. Enabled him to fall so deep into addiction and not even realise it. If he were a normal person he be on the streets in a pool of his own piss by that point. She could see that. I do think he genuinely feels he’s been wronged by her, but that is because he’s mentally ill and probably still delusional about the extent of his problems. FWIW I do think she has exaggerated the extent of her injuries. The photos of her at events don’t add up, not sure about the charity donations because she may have known long before it was filed that Depp was going to spend the rest of his life suing her.

I think the vast majority of the public’s misunderstanding about AH come from having very little idea of what people deep in addictions can be like. She’s certainly no angel but the outpouring of hatred for her is very worrying. He is 100% an abuser. Couldn’t be anything else.

I listened to a recording of her this morning and it really came across as her goading JD, as if she was desperate to get some sort of reaction out of him. She called him a lot of vile names, but it did not strike me as someone who was scared of their spouse, quite the opposite. The more I hear from her, the less I like her, which is sad as I really want to be team AH but she just feels so disingenuous. As I’ve said before, they are both clearly messed up individuals with equally bad habits, including drug and alcohol abuse.

I really detest these Team Amber/Team Johnny side taking. There is something I dislike about her and I do believe she goaded Johnny, belittled him and tried to isolate him. I do believe she overplayed the extent of her injuries or lied about them. She seems mentally unstable and he comes across as broken as result of their toxic relationship and excessive drug taking. Its such a shame that's he's allowed drugs to consume him and nto get help. I do find it really uncomfortable with the booing of AH when she leaves court though and fans cheering Johnny.

“The photos of her at events don’t add up”

There, you said this yourself!

And the reason why the photos of her don’t add up is because she MUST be lying. There is absolutely no way on earth she would’ve looked ‘normal’ if JD had hit AH as she’s described, all the make up in the world would NOT hide swelling for a start.

Thankfully you’re not on the jury!

@DingleyDel

You believe the coke table was genuine? What's the story with that? Who set that up for him? Is he alleged to have set that up himself? Or is she claiming she had to set the table ready for him like that?

@DingleyDel

And what do you mean by "not sure about the charity donations"? What are you unsure about? She claimed she had donated her entire settlement; she has now admitted that is false.

The more she talks the more I see a very accurate depiction of a young woman in a toxic relationship with a very unwell addict who’s behaviour turned aggressive when he perceived he to be stopping him from getting his next hit

As for her verbally abusing him, calling him a has been, calling him names, totally normal behaviour. Not wanting to report/make public the extent of their/his problem, Totally normal.

I think the vast majority of the public’s misunderstanding about AH come from having very little idea of what people deep in addictions can be like. She’s certainly no angel but the outpouring of hatred for her is very worrying. He is 100% an abuser. Couldn’t be anything else.

All of this, basically. But added to that, the many messages in which he talks revoltingly about women, especially Amber obviously but also Vanessa Paradis, and the fact that he seems to be hell bent on destroying her, put me pretty firmly on her 'side'.

I think he was extremely abusive while on drugs/alcohol, and I think he has to know that he was in fact abusive towards her just because the evidence is there pretty uncontravertably. Especially the incident on the plane, where text messages from his then assistant strongly corroborate that (and which his team have objected to every time they're mentioned - I understand it's 'hearsay' but those messages were sent to Amber and it seems a little unfair that they can't be included in evidence).

I think with Australia, there's little reason to doubt how insane his behaviour was - you only have to look at the messages written in his own blood to see this was a man who was unhinged at the time. I don't find it hard to believe he did what she's alleging. She never wanted to make the sexual assault public. The cuts on her arms are mentioned by people present in the recording afterwards. It also doesn't strike me as unusual that she wouldn't seek medical treatment or would hide things.

I think she may have exaggerated the level of the assaults at times - or to put it another way, she may have been scared and traumatised and is reporting it as she experienced it. She doesn't have to have dramatically visible injuries for it to be true that he was hitting, pushing, strangling her etc. And she does have photos that clearly show injuries.

I also think any analysis of the situation that doesn't take into account the large age difference and the fact that he was far wealthier and in a more powerful position, surrounded by his staff and security and deep into his addictions, not to mention the way he's on record speaking both to and about her ("shut it, fat ass", "don't pretend to be authoritative with me, you're nobody's mum", nobody will be interested once her tits start to sag, etc), is completely missing the most fundamental thing about this. He had the power, he had the upper hand and he had no compunction about completely degrading her. He's still doing it. You don't have to like her or think she's a great person/ 'perfect victim' to see that fact. He's the abuser in this scenario.

‘And she does have photos that clearly show injuries’

Where are these photos?
Where are the photos of her supposedly having black eyes, a suspected broken nose and a cut lip that went through her teeth?

Answer: there aren’t any!
Come on, anyone with an ounce of common sense can surely understand that make up can not disguise a badly beaten face ( a face beaten by a man wearing rings) … there’d be swelling showing at the very least.
Also, as she is an actress, her face is surely part of her fortune and so I’m sure she’d have sought medical help to ensure she healed properly if she really believed he’d broken her nose.
The only photo where she appears to have a genuine bruise, is the one of her taking a pic of her arm.

@Sunsetandsandybeach I have absolutely seen photos showing injuries. They are right there in her evidence so I'm not sure why you're asking me that.

I’m surprised you have when even the jury in the case haven’t been shown any genuine looking injuries, except for the bruised arm one.

Clearly swollen nose in the first one, the second literally has the shape of the phone that was thrown. There are others.

She has a slight bump on her nose in the second one too, which I believe is just the shape of her nose (she may have had work on it since) but I’m convinced it’s all make up to give the ‘appearance’ of bruises. Where’s the swollen eyelids, cheekbones? There aren’t any! Her eyes would likely be bloodshot too after a smack to the nose.

Completely agree with both of these comments.

Do you seriously believe that a phone thrown at someone would leave a phone shaped mark?

lets get this clear

she is accusing him of multiple assaults / GBH/ and rape

if this is a criminal case he would be in jail for life .

She has been proven to be telling lies multiple times . And she has said that several key witnesses are telling lies under if they do not agree with her .

She has also accused her lawyers of deliberately with holding critical evidence .

So how do you untangle the truth ?

I think its blindingly obvious who is telling the truth .

I was in a long term R with a man who spiralled into a major addiction. I didn't speak to him or act toward him at any point EVER like Amber Heard did. I said some very harsh stuff to him often but not aggressive, nasty, belittling stuff, more tough love stuff. There's nothing to gain by kicking an addict when they're down. And it NEVER led to me being physically abusive toward him and that's because I'm not an abusive person.

I've seen a report which shows that the photos of AH in a white T-shirt with a mark around her nose/eye have been forensically examined.

The meta tags are missing and no geo location. According to the forensic report, this missing info is consistent with a photo which has been edited. Make of that what you will............

There was also something about the claimed phone/version of iOS used not being consistent with the photo date but I can't remember the details of that exactly.

In a nutshell, it all points to the photo being edited to show a mark on her face. A mark that not a single other witness is able to corroborate and one that didn't leave any swelling. And is invisible in photos not taken by her.

I know what I believe. And I'm not a JD fan either. I just really hate liars, and I am so angry that AH's actions will undoubtedly cause lots more abused women (and men) to be disbelieved. Because there will be an impact.

As I'm here and commenting, I'm just going to add that the comments judging JD for his drug/alcohol abuse would NEVER have been levelled at a woman who's been abused. There is quite literally zero evidence anywhere of JD abusing her, and tons of actual evidence which shows that she abused him. If the roles were reversed we would be horrified at the victim-blaming and the excuses being made for the abuser. The only difference here is that the victim is male and the abuser is female. Reverse the sexes and not a single person would believe what AH is currently claiming. This makes me so sick to my stomach.