Anyone watching Amber heard take the stand?

[Meltinthemiddle]

Really not sure what to think tbh.

They’re both damaged & abusive, as well as being narcissistic fantasists.

There. Case closed

One thing that has struck me in this case is that it seems part of their need to rehab reputations is that they live very expensive lifestyles that need a stream of serious cash - blockbuster type cash. When Amber first filed the TRO she asked for $50,000 / month for her daily expenses (not including housing) and I thought how does anyone spend that much money on just life! But after seeing that they have concierge doctors, nurses, therapists, they have assistants and house managers and agents and career managers and security and interior designers and hair stylists and make-up artists and accountants and lawyers and luxury rentals and private planes - it has to take millions per year just to sustain their lifestyle and staff

Absolutely. The woman who lives on the island and takes care of it gets paid $10,000 a month alone.

@Midlifemusings I can't stop thinking about that audio clip that you posted on page 22. I just find it so shocking that rich/wealthy people like that have a whole team just basically clearing up after them. When they were saying two of the three sofas were so covered in blood they were unsalvageable and that there was $50-75k of damage from that nights fighting alone! It's just obscene really. Sorry, slightly off topic but it's really stayed in my mind.

I know what you mean...and how people can destroy property so easily. If the average person engaged in that sort of behaviour, we wouldn't be able to afford to replace our belongings. What was spent repairing the damage in that house is probably more than a person earns in 2 years

I feel as though it must be impossible to stay grounded and to keep perspective when that is the life you live. There is so much excess and being catered to. It also seems they don't really make any decisions - it is almost like being a child in some ways with all these minders and staff who do everythign for you. It just isn't 'normal' life.

I think Amber used Johnny for financial, career, and social gains but there has to be immense pressure on young actors to move yourself up in the chain and maintain the expected social life of the rich and famous. You kind of have to latch onto someone who can take you there unless you are one of the lucky few who just catch a big break out of anonymity - and I don't know how often that happens.

It does make me respect the celebrities who have chosen to live simpler lives away from the excess and luxury and public eye. I think some work really hard to just live 'normal' lives.

Dr Kipper and Nurse Debbie travelled with Johnny

Sounds like a Carry On film doesn't it. My mind just boggles at the whole thing tbh

I was really curious about the MDMA allegation as it seemed like a lot and I couldn't imagine that anyone could take that amount of MDMA. I still have the image of Leah Betts in hospital imprinted my mind. But it looks like it is possible particularly if there's a tolerance to them and depending on the strength of the tablets. Absolutely mind blowing.

So many people around him to "support him", clean up after him etc All that money, all those people and still being allowed to get into that state. Someone must have been enabling that. It seems like everything was done for them. Tragic.

deserthopetreatment.com/hallucinogens/ecstasy-addiction/overdose/

@Laaaaslalala

This guy took 50 along with alcohol and a sedative and although he ended up in hospital he still survived.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9865243/

One is possibly an habitual liar, the other certainly an habitual passed-out drunk / druggy.
Any "truth" will be hard to come by.

Very good points raised.

What amazes me with these people is the normalisation of their excesses. Why is all the drug taking and revolting consequences just accepted and tolerated - is it merely because of who they are? If you had a family living in a standard home clearly out of their minds on substance abuse, vomiting, passing out, beating each other up etc etc, the authorities would have become involved years ago. And how come they have such easy access to all these chemicals? Youngsters are regularly stopped for carrying marijuana and have it confiscated and yet these celebrities must have contacts to big dealers, albeit through third parties, and paying an absolute fortune. Why aren’t they being investigated and pressure being put on them to reveal their source and pursue convictions?

As always, a different set of rules and standards are applied to the rich and famous.

It's definitely possible.

Many years ago, whilst it was still more commonly called ecstacy (though Google tells me it's the same thing?) the most I took in one evening was 6 pills. I was still acting like normal, just very wide pupils, very talkative and a bit hyperactive. Though my tolerance to certain drugs (recreational (in the past) and prescription (ongoing) is an oddity. The first time I took ecstacy - in my late teens - I didn't get a high at all. The second time, I took two pills and was just a bit more talkative than usual. As well as having problems with certain things - such as anesthetics - I likely have undiagnosed ADHD which I suspect might be a factor.

People respond in different ways, for some one pill can be fatal. Others can take more and have the same effects as someone who takes half a pill. I imagine JDs level of alcohol and drunk consumption might have built his tolerance, if that's possible, and am sure I've read somewhere he has ADHD(?). People with ADHD respond differently with stimulant drugs than people without ADHD.

@kittensinthekitchen What you say about drugs and ADHD is spot on.

I've never used recreational drugs except for once and once only when I was in my early twenties. I took an ecstasy pill, same ones as my friends did. They were all high as bloody kites. Nothing happened to me, I was bored so I just went home. Caffeine doesn't keep me awake or affect me at all either.

I'd thought no more about it until I was diagnosed with ADHD (and autism) and started stimulant medication recently (nearly twenty years later). I am not even hyperactive type, I'm inattentive/hyperactive combined. The medication is an amphetamine.

In someone without ADHD, you've guessed it, it would make you high, and well, 'speedy'. In me, it calms my busy brain. I have clarity and focus. It stops me binge eating food for a dopamine hit. No one else would even noticed I'd taken it.

Johnny Depp has ADHD. It's more than likely he would react very differently to recreational drugs than someone without it.

I am no fan of his, his behaviour if he didn't do all of those physical and sexual things she said is still foul (and abusive) and if he did do them then he's monstrous and needs locking up for a long time. I'm undecided on which it is.

I have (diagnosed) ADHD and am very sensitive to stimulants, more so than the average person. I have to be on a very low dose of slow release medication.

Interesting that the police who were called did not notice any damage to her face. It apparently happened the day before she was interviewed by James Cordon. The MUA said she came in with no make up on and there was no damage to her face despite her saying she had come there with two black eyes to cover up.

She also drank a lot and took drugs which would not have gone down well with her prescription drugs either. Let's also not forget the poo on the bed. Too big to be from one of those ridiculous tiny rat dogs.

Even if he had given her a black eye she was no victim. She is on tape, goading him, telling him he should no walk away from her. I actually feel he is more a victim than her.

I feel so angry for any proper victim who is trying to get justice.

Also there were many people living there at Johnny's expense including her hanger -ons. Surely someone would have heard her.

Amber is back on the stand. I just find her such an un-believable witness. She looks like she's acting, and acting very badly.

😆😆😆 It sounds like they shoukd have their own TV show.
Dr Kipper and Nurse Debbie go to Vegas.
Dr Kipper and Nurse Debbie rock out at Coachella.

Its so obvious she is lying.

I believe she was hurt by JD, I believe she hurt JD.

But why the fuck can't she just be honest about the facts? She is doing herself no favours with all the lies padding everything out.

Some if the stuff she is saying is senseless and contradictory.

The recordings she has taken are fucking horrific.
They make her look like a nasty bullying woman.
Why does she think this is in her favour?

She's not helping herself at all. Quite the opposite.

There's a YouTube channel called the Behavior Panel. They're 4 men who train the fbi, armed forces, police, etc in interview techniques and signs of deception. They've analysed both Depp and Heard and it's interesting. They've identified lots of deception in Heards testimony, although they constantly state that that doesn't mean she wasn't abused, just things that she says and does indicate some sort of deception.
They do analysis of all sorts of different people. They even did Boris Johnson and the McCanns.

@LetitiaLeghorn I watch the Behaviour Panel, they are brilliant. Found it interesting how Chase Hughes actually said he would stake his career on saying she is being deceptive.

I do not believe 95% of it. Did they have arguments? Yes. Did he abuse her? Less than she abused him.

Those photographs of her "bruised" face. Please.

@QuotetheLaw I think they're.really good too, although Mark does go on a bit. 🤔 I like the fact that they back up what they're saying, don't make outlandish claims and dismiss single signs of deception as you need to look at clusters. And even if they think someone us deceptive, they still note things they think are truthful. And vice versa. I thought it was interesting that Chase said that this is the most they've ever agreed on a person in 12 months and that last person had been someone telling the truth.

I liked their analysis of Alec Baldwin too.
They always seem very fair and not quick to rush to judgement. Well worth watching.

@LetitiaLeghorn thanks for the tip, will look them up, sounds interesting.

@MrsMingech and @AdriftAbroad1 I agree with your comments.

Someone mentioned - I don't know if it's true - that JD handed over all his text etc messages as requested (and we can see how unflattering some are), but AH refused to do so. If that's true, I find that appalling on her part.

Wasn't it that depps side has asked for sanctions because they asked for the devices that took the photo so they could be examined by a forensic examiner? There has already been a court order made last year that she needs to hand them over, but she has failed to do so. In other words Depps team is saying that pictures shown could be faked as they have not been able to validate their authenticity.
Of course, there might be something about tweets too. But I haven't heard that.