New employee is a fake, where to go from here?

[londonnotlangdon]

It's a large organisation and I just had to send off her paperwork, passport, things like that

She was given the job after her second interview last week.

However, she has emailed me these documents (fine), and her birth certificate says born in September 2002?

That makes her 19?

This is a problem because, for example, her CV says she was an Executive Assistant to a Director in 2018? When she would've been in school?!

I've asked HR, who haven't replied properly, I've asked them to call. But someone replied to my email of concern with 'so you don't want this new me ever of staff? Why not?'

What can actually be done about this?

You can choose to work at 16 you don't have to go to college or do an apprenticeship

Or other people updates about the OPs update 🤣🤣

It takes seconds to click on 'view all' the OPs posts and skim read to look for updates from the first post.

Sometimes threads take a completely different path and what is an appropriate reply to the OP is really nasty and insensitive once the thread has moved on. Once a poster either died or received a terminal diagnosis and people were still telling her that it was going to all be ok and she'd live a long fun happy life.

You can choose to work at 16 you don't have to go to college or do an apprenticeship

Not strictly accurate @Mandyjack

From GOV.UK
England

You can leave school on the last Friday in June if you’ll be 16 by the end of the summer holidays.

You must then do one of the following until you’re 18:

1. stay in full-time education, for example at a college
2. start an apprenticeship or traineeship
3. spend 20 hours or more a week working or volunteering, while in part-time education or training

well she sounds very clever, resourceful & proactive so should be a great assistant!

She sounds like a liar and a fraud and not to be trusted. And really stupid to mess up so blatantly.

And really stupid to mess up so blatantly.

Probably quite difficult to forge things birth certificates though. Perhaps she is also a liar & a fraud, I don't necessarily think that means she can't do the job.

I mean I've worked with lots of people who are crap at their jobs and can't be trusted 😆

@sonicred good for you. Let’s hope your workplace don’t hire an abuser or someone violent like mine did because they lied and didn’t have references.

This isn’t about OP discriminating on the persons age.
This is about a person TELLING A LIE on a cv stating they have experience when they don’t. How can you be a PA when you are at school - as the OP says - at age 13- just not possible.

You clearly have no idea what the job entails if you think it's the same as being a Mother.

It's a bit like cooking beans on toast and wondering what the hell Raymond Blanc does all day. 😂

Well I’m going to say on my CV that I headlined at Woodstock seeing how it’s age discrimination to question how I could have done that given I’m clearly not old enough.

@PenelopeLively that's a bit of a leap! Where have I said anything about not requesting references?

Not directly connected but definitely the wrong person

An Organisation I have used for many years had the lead partner retire and appointed a new one, within 3 months 2 other partners resigned and now half of the 20 strong team have now left .

wrong appointment

Some EA jobs are difficult, some are easy. But all of them require you to be completely trustworthy with secrets and with money.

If (as is suspected but not proved) you've crossed the line from "bigging up your experience" to actively faking a reference and inventing jobs you never had then your honesty is so impaired that you cannot do that job.

Apprenticeship or traineeship could apply to most entry level jobs. You could be could a trainee estate agent or admin assistant etc which would meet the criteria

Would you want to employ a liar and a fraud?

Totally agree, the company I work for even advertise posts I know I could probably do but I don't meet the essential criteria so don't apply.

The government don't care as long as they aren't claiming benefits. Our company takes on Kickstarters which are 16 to 24 Yr olds. It's to give them 6mths work experience and get them off benefits and most do end up with permanent jobs. They do the same work we do for less pay.

Lots of people use friends to give a fake reference. Could be anyone answering that email not necessarily an old colleague or manager. I agree with you, I'd be ringing the company to see if she did ever work there

Sorry, but this is a really odd statement. To be clear, an EA is an assistant to an executive board member. The role isn't admin, nor a secretary or other personal assistant who just sets up a few meetings. For example, the EA to the chairman might visit a senior team member to find out the answer to some specific questions from the director and collate specific information for an urgent slide pack that they then create. Booking trips include coordinating people across multiple continents, booking meeting rooms as well as hotels, hire a driver and possibly assistant for the trip, visas, printing up agendas and creating an online folder of documents he needed to read before meetings (documents the EA has sourced from the senior team by talking about the types of meeting, goals and what's needed), etc.The role isn't secretarial work and nor is it like being a mum, it's being an extra pair of hands for a very senior person.

For those who aren't reading, the person backed out days ago.

Posting to try to get this thread one post closer to being closed, so that people who haven't RTFT can't continue to post advice/justifications/comments when the OP said long ago that the precocious 19 year old and probable liar had withdrawn their application "for iirc personal reasons".

Genuinely fascinated how this can bother you so?!

Hasn’t the thread developed in to a wider discussion around ESs, recruitment, references etc?