New employee is a fake, where to go from here?

[londonnotlangdon]

It's a large organisation and I just had to send off her paperwork, passport, things like that

She was given the job after her second interview last week.

However, she has emailed me these documents (fine), and her birth certificate says born in September 2002?

That makes her 19?

This is a problem because, for example, her CV says she was an Executive Assistant to a Director in 2018? When she would've been in school?!

I've asked HR, who haven't replied properly, I've asked them to call. But someone replied to my email of concern with 'so you don't want this new me ever of staff? Why not?'

What can actually be done about this?

What's so hard about it?

@RantyAunty

Are you this dismissive of all jobs you haven't done?

What jobs in your opinion meet your threshold of being 'hard' ones?

Born 2002 and working in 2015...aged 13? Sounds like a staurday job for family or friends and worked her way up. Possible, but not full time so limited experience.

I'm finding this scenario hard to believe TBH.

This is mot age discrimination. If you choose mot to give a job because of someone's age that is discrimination. What you are saying is the person's DOB and job/career timeliness don't match, suggesting a fraudulent application.
Note your concerns, pass them on and leave the company to decide.

Maybe useful to check the link for future reference.
people in the UK are categorised according to different ethnicities. The main ones are Asian British, Black British and White. Which British ethnicity did your applicant appear to fit?
www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/style-guide/ethnic-groups

If shenis in the UK, it is the law to stay in education till 18. My son is the same age and he had to go to 6th form, but you can choose college or an apprenticeship which leads to higher qualifications than GCSE. Check the certificates, dates will be on there, go back to references. This is dodgy AF

Maybe her mum saw this thread?

You would uave to show birth cert and several bills. It is the law here.

No, you tell us how it's such an easy job.

@RantyAunty

What's so hard about it?

I suspect you’re just being snidey but it’s one of this jobs that everyone thinks they can do but is actually extremely complex and involved.

It requires a high degree of organisation; an ability to influence and communicate from junior to board level; skilful management of multiple diaries, budgets, contracts and expenses and excellent problem solving skills.

It’s also a job that requires you to leave your ego at the door and be discreet.

Is it possible there's a problem/typo with her DOB?

the employee needs to be taken into a room with you and HR. She should be asked to talk through her CV and to explain her birth certificate. Depending on the answers etx you can make a decision from there. Personally, if she has lies on her CV I would terminate her employment as if the employment relationship is based on a lie, it’s not going to work.

You need to read the whole thread.

Education, employment or training.

The purpose of employment checks prior to employing someone is to validate what they have said through application and interview.

If it looks like she was mandatory school age when she said she was in what sounds like a relatively senior role ask her for clarification. Her response will tell you a lot. You can then make a decision depending on her answer.

HR should be supporting you with this but I've often found our HR department somewhat unsupportive so if you aren't happy go back to them again.

Might be something like a simple typo.

Seems fairest thing is for appropriate person to discuss with her directly. (Without allowing gossip and assumptions to spread ie you keep it to the necessary until you have proper info).

Otherwise move on. You already asked someone in HR and they haven’t chosen to follow it up. And you might just be barking up the wrong tree… in which case it isn’t fair to cloud other peoples judgement on her.

My dad was lecturing at university when he was 18 and then doing the same in the USA (and also then had a baby and a wife) at 21, because he did O levels really early as he had/has a crazy super-brain (which I didn’t inherit).

So mad things do happen. And he is as from a poor town/ council house. I can imagine his CV looking a bit suspicious in those early days.

I also know a person who is very famous who went to my school. She is massive in TV and landed first big job at like 18-21. Can’t remember details now. She wasn’t qualified and blagged it and begged for it. Doesn’t matter now as she is one of the main people on TV but again at that early stage I am sure she would have looked well dodgy. But her entire success is down to how tenacious she is. I don’t think she ever lied, but I am sure she framed things cleverly. A skill set I wish I had. Yea

etc etc.

Have a good evening x

@YorkshireRog

Have you not read the thread? She has moved on.

I’m a nurse id love a job starting at 40k!

She either lied on hehe CV which is a sackable offence and HR should bloody well put their big girl pants on and tell her to do one.

or worse she is using someone else’s identity! Criminal offence here!

Could be illegally in the country or have a criminal record or be declared bankrupt and wouldn’t pass a background check in some industries.

My money is on identity theft. It’s more common then you think. Flag it with this to HR.

Maybe she has bigged up a work experience job or a part-time job when she was still at school working for eg a family firm or friends of the family's firm? Executive assistant is quite a vague term that could mean fairly basic general admin to doing loads of really independent things.

So this is a 40k job that doesn’t require any qualifications beyond GCSE.. and even those your not going to check. Sure, sure…

I've asked HR, who haven't replied properly, I've asked them to call. But someone replied to my email of concern with 'so you don't want this new me ever of staff? Why not?'

op, what does that mean? “New me ever”?

It is not age discrimination to ask her to clarify how she is 19 but has 7 years of experience and started working at 12. And conveniently the first giant company went under, where she jumped from assistant to head person, and the 2nd giant company went under too and you’ve only one reference from someone who says he was her boss and the email addresses don’t even match those companies’ addresses. And why does he still have an email address at defunct company. On top of dates not matching as you said.

I can think of countless other questions and red flags.

Age discrimination to ask questions about her age discrepancies? The HR department you are looking to, for permission to ask a simple question, are utterly incompetent.

New member of staff, sorry, I get it now. But truly, it is ridiculous that you can’t ask this person a simple question in the face of so many red flags. Does she have a contact there?