Boris has been fined - Part 3

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Here we are.

And here is Part 2

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I still regard it as no better for Labour than the Tories. Scotland the loss of support Ruth Davidson gained when Scottish Tory leader, Wales really gains for Plaid Cymru, London only Wandsworth a real coup counterbalanced by losing Harrow and Croydon/Tower Hamlets mayoralties, outside London Lib Dem gains and Greens.

As for the Durham allegations, I think no fixed penalty will result.

I genuinely think this is what the perception problem is, BJ&Co don’t need an excuse or reason, they just ride it out and carry on. Hell, that’s exactly what they tell us all the time - they’re getting on with ‘it’. They don’t worry about polls, ratings or elections because they’re playing dirty. Beer gate was a miscalculation and should have hit earlier to avoid local elections, they won’t be so sloppy come 2024.

I don’t make the statement lightly when I say we have a despot in power and we’re in danger of sleepwalking into an kleptocracy.

I still regard it as no better for Labour than the Tories.

Labour aren't the Government though. That's the difference. This is an appalling result for the Tories. Worse still because there is something of a pincer movement going on. Appeal to the Red Wall Tories, lose the Blue Wall support.

I quite agree, gaining 137 seats really is very similar to losing 488.
Wales if of course very interesting, with Labour being in government in the Welsh assembly gaining 66 seats is clearly a disaster whilst Plaid losing 6 is an absolute triumph.

Where do CHQ find these people?

Johnson was the Conservatives golden ticket vote winner - all things to all people.

His brand is now toxic.

It won't get better. There will be further scandals. He's learnt nothing.

Could we add a little more context? Just over two years ago the Tory supporters were crowing that Labour was finished, with its worst results since 1933. So Labour should not have won any seats at all. They should have fizzled away like UKIP did. (OK UKIP didn't, they just got co-opted into the Tory party.)

Well either UKIP now rebranded as the Conservative party will fizzle away, or the Conservative party will get co-opted by the local Conservatives and once again be a recognisable Conservative party.

Matthew Parris was on Any Questions earlier doing a good job of reminding me why in the past I have considered voting Conservative.

I am finding it very amusing that BJ supporters on here have no answer to the loss of 482 seats. All they can do is talk about Labour not making enough gains.
What about the -482? Any comment? Any comment without mentioning Labour?

England- in London of the three Councils Labour gained, Westminster had the Marble Arch mound fiasco, and Barnet only had a large Conservative majority in 2018 because of Jeremy Corbyn's response to anti-semitism in his party. So Wandsworth the only real shock.

Outside London the net Labour gain was small if any, the Lib Dems and Greens were the real winners.

Or people voted tactically. In a number of areas Labour voters made it clear that they chose to vote for whichever party stood the best chance of beating the Tory candidate.

No sorry you misunderstand. They shouldn't get rid because he boozed at work, they should get rid because he's a crap leader and a mahoosive hypocrite.

Crap leader? Check - lost 482 seats, won't face any sort of difficult questioning on mainstream media, widely known as the laziest and most mendacious PM ever.

Mahoosive hypocrite? Check. Went on TV to tell us solemnly how we mustn't have social gatherings at work, told little girls they mustn't have birthday parties, attended unlawful social gatherings and birthday event and allowed his colleagues and staff to do so repeatedly.

Glad you agree that Johnson should go, @JaniieJones

Exactly. There were a number of Conservatives who held their noses as they voted for Johnson as leader, because they were all too well aware of his reputation for laziness, incompetence and growing disregard for the truth - but they voted for him because he was perceived as someone who won elections. And he duly delivered - once. But now the magic election-winning effect has gone, and what he has left is an infinitely worse reputation. No-one seriously believes he is going to have the character transplant he needs to overcome that.

Check - lost 482 seats

This is despite a lot of them inventing a new party name of Local Conservatives. The voters were wise to that one though.

...granting the Tory party power over England and Wales until the end of time without having actually got their hands dirty by being seen to facilitate Scexit.

To reassure you, it's a trope that the Labour Party "needs" Scotland to win a majority. But it's useful for some to perpetuate it to hold on to Scotland.

England gets the colour of government that it wants

Look at the current Government: it won an 80 seat majority. 6 of which come from Scotland. Labour won just one seat in Scotland and the LibDems 4. Even if Labour had won every single Scottish seat, it still wouldn't have had a majority

In 2015, Cameron won a majority despite only winning 1 seat in Scotland. Labour also only one seat (and the LibDems one). SNP won all the other seats. Even if Labour had won them, the Tories would still have won that election.

In 2010, Brown won 41 seats in Scotland and the Conservatives only 1. But the 11 seats that the LibDems won there helped Cameron form a coalition government. Even if Brown had swept Scotland, he still wouldn't have had a majority

More to the point, Labour under Blair never "needed" Scotland to win his majorities - he had sufficiently large majorities without relying on the Scottish constituencies.

The only times Scotland has actually made a difference were in the 70s, allowing Labour to form a government (Wilson and Callaghan) and in 2017 when May was able to form a minority government thanks to the 13 Scottish Conservative MPs - although none of the governments were stable Again, even if Corbyn had taken all the SNP and LibDem Scottish seats, he wouldn't have been in a position to form a Government. So we ended up with May and her confidence & supply agreement with the DUP

Yes.

How can losing almost 500 council seats, being annihilated in Scotland, Wales and our capital city, and losing N.I. to a pro-unification party be anything but a seismic catastrophic disaster?

Answers on a postcard please....

500 mostly decent, hardworking people have lost their positions. For what? So 1 dishonest, law breaking, inept man can keep his. It's shameful that tory MPs are allowing their colleagues to be decimated like this.

Does anyone know how many seats Labour was projected to win?

No one wants the Tories gone more than i do but local election results often have little relevance to the next GE result, 2 years is a long time in politics and people often go against their GE voting patterns in a local election.

I think the NI result is the most important here & could signal the end of the Union, something BJ was prepared to see happen to gain power.

'I am finding it very amusing that BJ supporters on here have no answer to the loss of 482 seats.'

It would have been strange if they hadn't lost any. Post pandemic, cost of living crisis due to global energy hikes, constant media smears, partygate. With the terrible 2 years we've had including mistruths 'highest death rate!' Remember that? Yet now we know we didn’t (media strangely quiet on that) so losing seats at a local election was to be expected. Mid terms also.

I wonder what the average turn out was, I read somewhere it was very low?

Oh dear oh dear. 'Stopped for a bite to eat' aka Durhamgate blown out of the water with a leaked memo stating clearly 'dinner with Mary Foy' was always planned. I bet Starmer'd really wished he hadn't wanged on about birthday cake for months now..

IF KS is issued with a fixed penalty and resigns (which tbh, he has too or just be forever more accused of being a hypocrite), Bojo wont, he'll just carry on and say KS resigning is up to him and he'll waffle Vaccines/big decisions/war/cost of living.... which of course is an open goal for the next Labour leader and the electorate will see that not all politicians are the same.

Um they expected to eat during the course of the evening. I expect to eat at some point this evening. Don't you expect a meal at some point tonight? Hardly earth shattering is it?

Election Maps UK

Wales Final Result:

Seats:
🌹 LAB: 526 (+66)
🌼 PLC: 202 (-6)
ℹ️ INDs: 316 (+8)
🌳 CON: 111 (-86)
🔶 LDM: 69 (+10)
🌍 GRN: 8 (+8)

Councils:

🌹 LAB: 8 (+1)
🌼 PLC: 4 (+3)
ℹ️ IND: 0 (-2)
🌳 CON: 0 (-1)

⬛ NOC: 10 (-1)

And the only person "wanging on" about birthday cake is you JJ and the Daily Mail.

Most people talked about the 40 people invited (plus event staff, wife, decorator and official photographer) for a birthday celebration.

What media slurs? Do you mean Johnson's desperate reference to Savile?

A reminder of what the Mail forecast as a disaster for the Cons and a success for Labour

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