Boris has been fined - Part 3

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Here we are.

And here is Part 2

www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4529283-Boris-has-been-fined-Part-2?reply=116839783

@JaniieJones If the local election results were replicated in the next General Election then the Labour party would probably be the largest party in parliament, without an overall majority.

What is it that makes you believe that Starmer has no chance of being PM? Would the other parties refuse to work with him and work with Boris instead? Can you see Blackford leading his troops through the lobbies in support of someone who he has accurately described as a liar?

Or are you anticipating some significant change in Johnson's fortunes over the next two years? If so what do you think will cause that?

And presumably for those who do have gender wars as a priority, they will observe the record of the Prime Minister and Conservative government over the passed 12 years and are certain not to vote for them.

Can you see Blackford leading his troops through the lobbies in support of someone who he has accurately described as a liar?

That made me actually laugh out loud

Well can you understand what other option @JaniieJones is suggesting?

They have just said on Sky news ( Sophy Ridge and another man) that there could be a situation brewing where KS may have to resign over the beer gate inquiry etc, but I suppose they will have to wait to see which rules were broken etc.

If that happens (and if Starmer has broken the rules and is fined he should resign, how could he not?) Johnson will be in a very, very tricky situation. He could not say it was the right thing for KS to do. What would he say? If Durhamgate brings KS down, it could also bring down Johnson.

@the80sweregreat I could envisage any sort of message inviting people along would be enough to back Starmer into a corner.

Well yes, despite @JaniieJones protestations the Durham police investigation is actually higher risk for Boris than it is for the Labour party.

I work with a lot of women and with a legion of 17 and 18 year olds keen to have their voice heard. I don't go around discussing politics all day (too busy) but when we do , gender 'wars' has never come up. Not once.

I honestly can't see why any Tory MP could believe that Johnson will suddenly be a vote winner again in two years time. I can see no conceivable way in which the GBP would turn around and say "well I know, wallpaper, parties, infidelity, Owen Paterson, Berlosconi, Russian donors, non-stop lying, [insert whatever else shit has emerged in the next two years because it's genuinely inevitable that stuff will]. But he's a laugh innit!"

I'm not saying that the Tories are doomed, I just can't see how Johnson would bring a net improvement in votes over a balloon on a stick with a face painted on it - or Jeremy Hunt/Ben Wallace/Liz Truss.

Alternatively, if you're of a conspiratorial mindset, the current state of play would be ideal for a Conservative party playing the long game. If you held a snap general election tomorrow then the best guess is that Labour Party would be forced to grant a referendum on Scottish independence in order to form a government. Given the unpopularity of all English politicians then it might very well pass - granting the Tory party power over England and Wales until the end of time without having actually got their hands dirty by being seen to facilitate Scexit.

But if she made up her mind and stuck to a point she wouldn't be able to keep contributing to these threads as she does 🤣🤣🤣

I've seen goalposts move less in a hurricane

I find this POV interesting.

You don't seem to think the Tory's have done anything wrong on one hand but yet think that somehow the Tory's being wonderful should mean that Labour should have won more seats

But if that happened these threads would be much shorter and we would not all be reminded so often of just how bad Boris Johnson is as Prime Minister. I like to think of @JaniieJones as providing a civic service by keeping Boris' very many failings in the public eye.

Agree with those saying that if KS at al get a FPN and he resigns that could be Johnsons downfall.

I wonder if Johnson is secretly cursing whichever one of his Tory MPs is pushing this point and insisting it's reinvestigated?

Personally I think that whoever is forcing it is doing it to get Johnson out because it leaves him in such a difficult position.

I would be most surprised if Johnson is capable of thinking that far ahead. Certainly there has been no evidence of that in his life so far.

'Agree with those saying that if KS at al get a FPN and he resigns that could be Johnsons downfall.'

Why?

Starmer is the one who has proclaimed that a fpn is a resigning matter, he is the one who whined on about Bozo resigning If he got a fpn so he'll have to abide by his own standards surely. Tbh he proclaimed even being investigated equals resignation so he's maybe clearing his desk as we speak.

It's ideal tbh, they'll want rid of him after their very few gains. It's a perfect excuse.

Starmer won't get a FPN and he will be found innocent of any rule breaking. The right wing smear will not work.

@JaniieJones I am struggling to understand, what you are trying to say.
We have Keir Starmer who has overseen a remarkable turn around in the fortunes of his party, and consequently some gains in the local elections vs Boris Johnson whose party lost 25% of the seats they previously held, and yet you think it is Starmer who is the liability?

Am I right in presuming that Carla Denyer and Adrian Ramsey are your favourite party leaders?

It's almost like some Conservative voters don't take the Ministerial Code of Conduct seriously....

Well he should proclaim it.

We were all under house arrest by law and no mixing even with immediate family. I had to deliver shopping to the doorstep of my parents both receiving chemo.

The fact BJ and his pals were having birthday parties with non work members and a tax paid photographer - which was against the law - should be enough to make anyone resign. The fact he thought he could tell us daily not to kill granny and do this at the same time though is an indicator he wouldn't have the morals to resign if caught.

I don't think you can compare something between work colleagues only a year later under different rules as an equal event.

But if he gets an FPN he could resign as he said Johnson should. But I also wouldn't mind if he didn't as Johnson hasn't and he made the law.

But I don't think you can compare the low gains by Labour to the Huge losses by Tory's. 460+ seats is horrendous. No wonder his own party no longer have too much faith in him.

My 30something DCs also. And they are kind enough to have me as a member of their 'Politics Chat' whatsapp group where there's about 15 of them that age, and not once has gender wars come up. Why they allow one Mother in (me!) god alone knows!

They are so so knowledgeable.

It's ideal tbh, they'll want rid of him after their very few gains. It's a perfect excuse

If that's the case (which it isn't) what's the excuse for not getting rid of the leader who oversaw 482 losses?

The results were mixed. Got to concentrate on getting on with the job of enriching our mates, which has been made harder by Keir insisting we be mean to the Russians.

460+ seats is horrendous.

Johnson's covid strategy which killed a lot of old folks off, who tend to vote Tory, can't have helped him here. I wonder if he's put two and two together?

The context is important. Not only have the Tories lost 490 seats (about a quarter of their previous total I think?), that's against a baseline of the nadir of Theresa May's term.