Boris has been fined - Tory voters, should he go?

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Both Johnson and Sunak have received fines for the lockdown parties. No further details as yet.

Do any Conservative voters here think Boris should resign?

@JaniieJones

'Johnson should have owned up fast in November'

It was published in the Times in 2020! BJ had cake in the cabinet office for his birthday. As it was public knowledge he possibly thought there wasn't anything to 'own up' to.

I really do believe that had this birthday party been a complete one off, then even i would have given him that!

But its not, its a series of events involving him and his staff.

Just imagine if a Hospital trust had seen 50 plus FPN issued for parties held for staff and the directors....?

I'm pretty sure you'd be calling for the head of the CEO and given it as an example as why the NHS isn't fit for purpose.

I live in the same building as my neighbours (flats) but we couldn't meet up. Technically no different.

Well if one was your bubble then yes you could. But let’s remember why we had the rules - so contact was as limited as possible.

Everyone attending the party would have potentially given Covid to anyone else at party during the day. Alcohol or nibbles made sod all difference.

Not crossing bubbles in school lasted as long as we didn’t need someone to cross bubbles. Staff meeting by the book but many times the bubbles were burst.

-Just imagine if a Hospital trust had seen 50 plus FPN issued for parties held for staff and the directors....?'

I can't imagine anyone reporting staff at a hospital for eating cake in an office for 10mins.

It's all very ott and ridiculous

No idea what the obsession with cake is. He had a beer.

[quote JaniieJones]-Just imagine if a Hospital trust had seen 50 plus FPN issued for parties held for staff and the directors....?'

I can't imagine anyone reporting staff at a hospital for eating cake in an office for 10mins.

It's all very ott and ridiculous

There was a party with cake and beer and M&S picnic food as concluded by the Met. Boris, Carrie, Rishi and twenty odd other people have been fined for it.

but yeah, nursing staff eating cake in their office is exactly the same.

*In 1940 the Conservatives changed PM from Chamberlain to Churchill in a war and it went rather well for them.

Ukraine is not a reason to keep a PM who lies to parliament and broke his own laws.*

I'm sick to death of all the sycophantic arse licking tweets from his cabinet this morning. Some are absolutely appalling. What have we sunk to.
If I hear 'move on' one more time I won't be responsible for my actions!

And using Ukraine is too much, just too much.

The Royal College of Nursing have written to Party Chairman Dowden over Fabricant's comments about nurses swigging wine after duty. They are appalled quite rightly.
However, I see it on here, on this thread too.
A side swipe at NHS workers at any opportunity

@kathleen567

*In 1940 the Conservatives changed PM from Chamberlain to Churchill in a war and it went rather well for them.

Ukraine is not a reason to keep a PM who lies to parliament and broke his own laws.*

To be fair that is not quite the same. It was because Churchill was seen as being a better wartime leader in a time of extreme national peril: more of a warrior, not because Chamberlain had been breaking any laws.

@kathleen567

*In 1940 the Conservatives changed PM from Chamberlain to Churchill in a war and it went rather well for them.

Ukraine is not a reason to keep a PM who lies to parliament and broke his own laws.*

Total diversion but Chamberlain in the 1930's insisted the RAF invest in single engine fighters, like the Hurricane and the Spitfire, Churchill on the other hand wanted only twin engine rear gunned fighters, which was made, in small numbers but was a complete disaster!

So had Churchill got his way, the outcome for the UK may well have been totally different regardless of him becoming PM.

Bets on how long it will take Claudine? I go for 3 minutes

@DuncinToffee

Bets on how long it will take Claudine? I go for 3 minutes

5 mins

Still there!

If he had committed a really serious offense then yes butets face it half the country were breaking lockdown

What do you count as "as a really serious offence?" For starters

From https://davidallengreen.com/2022/04/boris-johnsons-triple-whammy-of-unlawfulness/

Boris Johnson’s Triple-Whammy of Unlawfulness
12th April 2022
Constitutional law is not supposed to be interesting.
Constitutional law is supposed to be boring.
And Boris Johnson could not make it any more exciting.
To take three examples.
First, the Supreme Court held that he gave unlawful advice to the Queen over prorogation of parliament.
(An incident that managed to engage all four of the monarch, parliament, the courts and the executive – the constitutional law equivalent of a full house.)
Second, his government actually introduced legislation to Parliament to enable it to break the law.
(Just typing that seems strange – but it happened, although the government averred that the law would be broken in a “limited and specific” way.)
And now, an even more extraordinary thing has happened.
The prime minister has been found by the metropolitan police to have broken this governments own laws on gatherings under lockdown.
And the necessary implication of this sanction is that the prime minister knowingly misled parliament when denying such a gathering took place.
He cannot even say he was misinformed, as he was at the gathering himself.
*
Johnson has not been prime minister a long time, and there are many prime ministers who have been in office far longer with far less constitutional excitement.
Of course he should resign – but that is not the point of this blogpost.
The point instead is to convey the sheer magnitude of what Johnson has ‘accomplished’ in his trashing of constitutional norms – and in under three years..
Just one of the above examples – and there have been many more, it is just those three came readily to mind – would be career-ending for a politician in any normal political system.
And that even now nobody knows if he will resign is an indication of how abnormal politics are at the moment.
It takes a certain quality for a prime minister in three years to contrive this triple-whammy of unlawfulness.
Indeed, it is difficult to conceive what he could still yet do as a fourth instalment.
Brace, brace.

@lightisnotwhite

I live in the same building as my neighbours (flats) but we couldn't meet up. Technically no different.

Well if one was your bubble then yes you could. But let’s remember why we had the rules - so contact was as limited as possible.

Everyone attending the party would have potentially given Covid to anyone else at party during the day. Alcohol or nibbles made sod all difference.

Not crossing bubbles in school lasted as long as we didn’t need someone to cross bubbles. Staff meeting by the book but many times the bubbles were burst.

There weren't bubbles in LD1 when he has the party.

They came later for people in specific situations. Me and my friend both sing,e parents to disabled children formed one and we live 5 miles apart!

If BJ and Carrie had a party in his flat with friends then yes that broke the rules and is serious

@JaniieJones I’m going to predict now that when Boris is fined for the ABBA party (which is so well documented there is no question the police will eventually get round to fining him), you will insist it was all Evil Temptress Carrie’s fault, how could Boris possibly stop her having a karaoke party to celebrate getting rid of Dominic Cummings, after all it’s her house too, and you’re sure he went to bed with a pillow over his head and is therefore fine to stay in post.

@ClaudineClare

Still there!

It is. Quite. While later too because I've just got to this post and my page says you poised this 13 minutes ago.

🤣

I’ve been listening to people calling in on the radio this morning some of whom have shared their stories of breaking lockdown rules and their reasoning. Some got fines, some didn’t.

You know what they all had in common? A complete understanding of which rule they were breaking at the time and were happy to admit it and/or pay the fine. ‘It was worth it’ was a common theme.

Some stories you would have had to have a heart of stone not to agree with them but it was never in question that they broke the law and accepted the consequences of that without excuse or finding extra reasonings when challenged.

Would Boris actually have to murder someone before the great British public say enough?

The man is fucking Teflon coated. He's done so much crap now and nothing sticks

'I’m going to predict now that when Boris is fined for the ABBA party (which is so well documented there is no question the police will eventually get round to fining him), you will insist it was all Evil Temptress Carrie’s fault, how could Boris possibly stop her having a karaoke party to celebrate getting rid of Dominic Cummings, after all it’s her house too'

Well no I'd agree they had a party and it wasnt allowed.

Totally different to any workplace 9min non parties.

Would Boris actually have to murder someone before the great British public say enough?

Well you'd think but we would still get the Oh I wasnt there. Oh I didnt do it. Oh I did do it but as I didn't realise I did it I cant be held to account. Someone else made me do it. The law may say I did it but I don't accept I did it. Keir Starmer is a friend to paedophiles. I'm terrible sorry but we need to move on as there is a war on you know. It's 1000 miles away and I haven't really got much to do with, but still.
And the Daily Mail would say it was a Remoaner plot and Nadine Dorries would gush that Boris was the best murderer ever ever and the loony left cant stop him murderin'. And Tory MPs would agree like nodding dogs that have had a decency bypass and some idiots would still vote Tory.