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Boris has been fined - Tory voters, should he go?

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NewYorker80 · 12/04/2022 13:43

Both Johnson and Sunak have received fines for the lockdown parties. No further details as yet.

Do any Conservative voters here think Boris should resign?

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TooBigForMyBoots · 12/04/2022 21:12

I think this thread is funny too @derxa.Grin So many posters making absolute tits of themselves trying to defend the government's law breaking.ShockGrinGrinGrin

derxa · 12/04/2022 21:12

It's OK to break the law if you're PM or an MP or Civil Service. It isn't.

Roussette · 12/04/2022 21:15

If so derxa why do you find it a huge joke that they broke the law and you quote daft songs and talk of Sunak line dancing at a party?

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UnCivil · 12/04/2022 21:16

[quote Cornettoninja]@Hrpuffnstuff1 why do you think I believe there is a more virtuous person waiting in the wings? I don’t, what I do believe is that the more Boris and his cabinet get away with the lower our standards sink and the path is cleared for worse.

Even an MP fully signed up to team Boris would be wary of taking the position after this and likely behave cautiously, if they see no consequences we end up with worse. I fully believe that every politician who came out in defence of Rishi Sunak and his wife has their own less than palatable dealings and every MP supporting Boris is acting in a similar manner to him or worse.

It needs to stop, this country has huge issues to face and doesn’t need the distraction of their incompetent pisstaking.[/quote]
Absolutely. Think back only a few months to the Owen Paterson debacle. BoJo and his lot were standing by Patterson until the outcry from their core supporters and the Mail and Express.

Standards in public life matter! Boris has lied time and time again. His behaviour before becoming PM should have prevented him ever being selected as party leader (anyone remember the comment about the money spent on investigating historical child SA as being “spaffed up the wall”?).

DowningStreetParty · 12/04/2022 21:17

These standards are also applicable to the PM, MPs and civil servants:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-7-principles-of-public-life/the-7-principles-of-public-life--2

mellongoose · 12/04/2022 21:18

@LookNorthbyNorthWest

Everyone has had time to rehearse their excuses for sticking with a corrupt, lying, incompetent buffon. If he was going to go it would have happened before Russia invaded Ukraine.

Mellongoose, have you considered the possibility that, were it not for Boris and Brexit, Russia may not have even invaded Ukraine? An EU with the UK on the inside would have been a bigger deterrent I suspect.

Ok then!
derxa · 12/04/2022 21:19

@Roussette

If so derxa why do you find it a huge joke that they broke the law and you quote daft songs and talk of Sunak line dancing at a party?
I don't find law breaking funny at all. Nothing about Covid, lockdowns, death and bereavement is funny. Virtue signalling and pomposity on MN is usually hilarious
Notonthestairs · 12/04/2022 21:23

I wonder if we'll get the same sort of excuses for the next fines - he only stayed for one chorus of Money, money, money...He barely touched the Tesco plonk.

cakeorwine · 12/04/2022 21:24

I wonder if Dom has the photos?

Roussette · 12/04/2022 21:28

I don't find law breaking funny at all. Nothing about Covid, lockdowns, death and bereavement is funny

Not sure why you made a joke about it then? It's beyond me.

I'm not virtue signalling. I spoke about a friend of decades whose funeral I watched on a feed... yet it's all a joke and pomposity.

Narwhalelife · 12/04/2022 21:29

110% the should both go.

It doesn’t matter that the alternative would/could be worse. They lied. And unforgivably so.

The war in Ukraine is also irrelevant to this unless their defence was ‘we’ll have a party now and if anyone says anything it will be ok because there will be WW3 and people starving & freezing to death by then so it won’t seem like a big deal’.

🙄

Literally anyone who doesn’t think then should quit needs time give their head a wobble.

Chloemol · 12/04/2022 21:30

Yawn yawn yawn

Alexandra2001 · 12/04/2022 21:39

@mellongoose

Putin wants him to go because he is the most effective western leader currently.

Therefore, he should stay.

Lol i almost choked on that!

Every Western leader is impotent against Russia, have you not noticed that Putin is killing, raping and destroying his way through Ukraine and when he is finished with the South, will return to Kyiv.

Bojo couldn't even call out what Putin is doing as Genocide, which Biden did.

Ben Wallace is the driving force behind what the UK is doing in Ukraine.

Blossomtoes · 12/04/2022 21:41

No virtue signalling here @derxa. I was brought up to believe in the values you mock.

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NewYorker80 · 12/04/2022 21:42

Boris is literally the only person in the entire world who is benefitting from the war in Ukraine. Sickening.

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SueSaid · 12/04/2022 21:48

@NewYorker80

Boris is literally the only person in the entire world who is benefitting from the war in Ukraine. Sickening.
Sickening comment. Absolutely appalling.
Blossomtoes · 12/04/2022 21:50

True though.

walkersareback · 12/04/2022 21:51

Either Johnson lied to HoC and therefore broke the ministerial code, and a liar should not be PM

OR

He didn't know he was at a party and therefore is an idiot and an idiot shouldn't be PM

Either way he should go.

cakeorwine · 12/04/2022 21:52

@walkersareback

Either Johnson lied to HoC and therefore broke the ministerial code, and a liar should not be PM

OR

He didn't know he was at a party and therefore is an idiot and an idiot shouldn't be PM

Either way he should go.

See - if an MP said that at PMQs, they would get told off for calling him a liar or for calling him an idiot.

UnParliamentary language apparently.....

UnCivil · 12/04/2022 21:54

@JaniieJones

'Maybe the ABBA party will turn up more as a pp said'

'And will be your stance then?! If BJ/RS was at that one too?'

Oh I'd join you then. My point has always been workplace gatherings in the workplace with work colleagues in work hours were acceptable and went on up and down the country, comparing them to funerals is neither helpful or relevant. Clearly the Met disagree but I'm sorry 10mins in an office is not a party. Their fpn issuer maybe needs to go on a course.

A proper party in the flat out of work with non work colleges there would clearly be a different matter.

Did they? Social gatherings in workplaces? Surely the point was to minimise contact with others to only essential activity? A social gathering for birthday cake and bubbly with no social distancing was not essential. All those companies and organisations that spent money to set up one way systems and change seating arrangements in canteens etc to limit bubble sizes and interaction between bubbles clearly shouldn’t have bothered
Honeyroar · 12/04/2022 21:59

@Roussette

I know he has got charisma for some peope, but that part of my brain must be missing because I just don't get it! He looks a mess all the time, he has a permanent sneering smirk on his face, I imagine (I don't know) that he's lazy, and not a very nice person. Surely the amiable buffoon charisma gene is boring for people now? Hasn't he worn it out?
That’s exactly the way I feel. I just don’t understand his appeal, I never have. And I don’t understand why people still buy it. Or think he’s “the best of a bad bunch”. He’s the worst of a bad bunch for me!
cakeorwine · 12/04/2022 22:06

All those companies and organisations that spent money to set up one way systems and change seating arrangements in canteens etc to limit bubble sizes and interaction between bubbles clearly shouldn’t have bothered

I wonder if anyone did a Covid risk assessment for Number 10 along with posters reminding people what they could and couldn't do - and tape etc on the floor to remind people about social distancing?

Alexandra2001 · 12/04/2022 22:06

My point has always been workplace gatherings in the workplace with work colleagues in work hours were acceptable and went on up and down the country, comparing them to funerals is neither helpful or relevant

Isn't it? the rules stopped me celebrating my birthday, stopped me using the works canteen, stopped me attending my partners Nans funeral, yet apparently these rules were optional... if only we'd all known!

Clearly the Met disagree but I'm sorry 10mins in an office is not a party. Their fpn issuer maybe needs to go on a course

Wild guess but i bet the decision to fine or not was taken at a very high level, after a great deal of soul searching and going through the rules and regs with a fine toothed comb.

DuncinToffee · 12/04/2022 22:12

Even Johnson's lawyers couldn't get him out of this one.

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NewYorker80 · 12/04/2022 22:15
  • NewYorker80 Boris is literally the only person in the entire world who is benefitting from the war in Ukraine. Sickening. Sickening comment. Absolutely appalling.

Er..... excuse me? Yes it IS sickening and appalling actually, that he is rinsing this war to boost his image and as an excuse to avoid facing up to his actions, when otherwise he would so clearly have been forced to resign.

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