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Boris has been fined - Tory voters, should he go?

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NewYorker80 · 12/04/2022 13:43

Both Johnson and Sunak have received fines for the lockdown parties. No further details as yet.

Do any Conservative voters here think Boris should resign?

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itsgettingweird · 12/04/2022 20:12

Derxa is this just semantics?

If I had a birthday and had an open house where people could pop round for a drink and slice of cake I'd call it a party. Maybe others wouldn't?

But I don't think this issue is about the semantics of what it's called.

It's the bigger picture that he denied such gatherings, lied to parliament, lied to the British people and has been found to have broken the law.

If we say that's fine for our PM we are setting the bar low for further politics and also for having any sense of compliance if any rules ever need to be set for the greater good in future.

It's almost silently inciting public unrest through words and actions.

derxa · 12/04/2022 20:12

@Roussette

derxa do you realise this is just the start? You say, oh so what he ate cake There's another SIX parties he is known to have attended
Did he sing ... Agadoo doo doo, push pineapple, shake the tree Agadoo doo doo, push pineapple, grind coffee To the left, to the right, jump up and down and to the knees Come and dance every night, sing with a hula melody at any of them? I'd be disappointed if he didn't. Did Rishi do some line dancing?
Peregrina · 12/04/2022 20:12

But for me it is about the fucking cake and calling it 'partying'

But you only have Johnson's word for it. Given that he's been sacked twice for lying a not unreasonable assumption is that he isn't the most truthful person.

I have to wonder though which laws you don't agree with that you think should just be ignored?

I obey speed limits, a lot of other people don't. Is that OK, that we all chose our own speed limits? I don't drink, so drink driving is no problem, but do we just decide that the current laws are wrong and drink what we feel like? (We used to do exactly both those things, and suffered the consequences of road deaths.)

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Roussette · 12/04/2022 20:13

Yep. Workplace gatherings. Wine in suitcases. Music on laptops. Abba. Cheese. Wine. Hot and cold buffet at CCHQ.
It was a culture of partying whilst the country tried to do the right thing.
It was from the top. Do it.

cakeorwine · 12/04/2022 20:14

And when the fines have all come out, we get the actual Sue Gray report...

And all the details

Roussette · 12/04/2022 20:15

Derxa would you feel like that if you'd abided by every rule like the woman I saw today.
She lost her sister. Couldn't say goodbye and feels absolute GUILT. Heartbreaking to listen to

Im surprised at you thinking it's just a big joke, I thought more of you.

derxa · 12/04/2022 20:17

We used to do exactly both those things, and suffered the consequences of road deaths. I know that because my brother was killed by a car. I'd much rather he'd been at a Downing St 'party[

cakeorwine · 12/04/2022 20:20

The Tory party will drop him like a lead balloon when he becomes a political liability.

XingMing · 12/04/2022 20:20

I have only read most, not all, of the thread. I am not bothered by a work bubble gathering in an office to cut and eat a birthday cake; that's only controversial because of the lockdown. Our doctor friends came over here and sat in the drive, on their own deckchairs and socially distanced, several times for a catch up and I wouldn't wish to be hypocritical.

Small c conservative here, and no lover of BoJo, and I do think there are talents within the parliamentary party some names have been mentioned but yes, this particularly tawdry Front Bench need a reality wrench.

It's not an EU issue, and it is: when Bryan Gould et al were prominent members of Blair's government, they were also seriously Eurosceptic, as they considered the Commission as having been captured by German industry. Principled, but absolutely not convinced by the beneficence of Brussels. I recall one description of the EU as "the political wing of VW". I don't think they would have stood by so silently while Angela Merkel did cosy deals with Putin to make Germany so dependent on Russian oil and gas.

I want to see the Tories with a much better leader and front bench, and at the same time, I'd like a far better opposition. Starmer is okay but the rest of the shower are ineffective. Parliamentary democracy only works when the people holding the great offices of State are impressive, and so are their Shadows. The electorate needs to feel there's an alternative government in waiting, and this thread alone suggests most people don't feel confident of it.

Roussette · 12/04/2022 20:21

So that makes it all ok????!

52andblue · 12/04/2022 20:23

Yes Johnson should step down. As should Sunak. Both because of Partygate. They partied whilst people died, separated from their loved ones. And whilst we were all separated from our loved ones & trying to live responsibly. I appreciate that it would be an esp destabilising time to change PM so I think a 'war time' coalition would be appropriate for next few months.

Blossomtoes · 12/04/2022 20:24

but the idea that a gathering with a piece of cake brings down a PM is appalling to me. It makes our country look ridiculous. I can't imagine it happening in any other European country

All that tells me is that you just don’t understand integrity, honesty or honour. I feel very sorry for you.

Peregrina · 12/04/2022 20:25

It seems derxa that your objection is more to sloppily drafted legislation, which was introduced in a panic. The answer isn't just to ignore it, but to amend or repeal it and redraft it.

I like many others obeyed the rules and feel that I was taken for a complete mug. Fortunately I wasn't bereaved or had to give birth alone, but there were a lot of funerals I wasn't able to go to and support friends in their grief. And meanwhile it was party time which wasn't because the Government are apparently so bladdered at work that they didn't know the difference.

DuncinToffee · 12/04/2022 20:25

Our doctor friends came over here and sat in the drive, on their own deckchairs and socially distanced, several times for a catch up

What does that has to do with an indoor birthday party that was against the law at that time?

derxa · 12/04/2022 20:27

@Roussette

Derxa would you feel like that if you'd abided by every rule like the woman I saw today. She lost her sister. Couldn't say goodbye and feels absolute GUILT. Heartbreaking to listen to

Im surprised at you thinking it's just a big joke, I thought more of you.

But that's so mixed up. I feel so sorry for bereaved families who couldn't see their relatives etc. The rules were set by the Govt and they were draconian. Then petty people reinforced them in an even more cruel way. BJ probably couldn't have imagined that the UK public would have complied the way they did. But... the No 10 parties didn't cause the misery because noone knew about them until fairly recently
Roussette · 12/04/2022 20:28

Exactly Peregrina. I watched a funeral on some sort of live feed, it was horrible.
I felt for the family, heartbreaking. I was just a friend of decades but still...

XingMing · 12/04/2022 20:29

Define a party @DuncinToffee? Mine is a little more exciting than a meeting room with birthday cake.

Peregrina · 12/04/2022 20:30

I don't think you know whether the parties caused misery or not. Never mind a child's swing getting broken, which no doubt would have upset the little boy in question, but you don't know who caught covid as a result and went and spread it around.

Notonthestairs · 12/04/2022 20:31

So Johnson's government puts forward draconian legislation. But Johnson gets a free pass to break that same legislation because it should have never been passed in the first place.

The subsequent misleading of Parliament by both the PM and the Chancellor is similarly acceptable.

No wonder people feel regret at not breaking the law.

cakeorwine · 12/04/2022 20:31

But... the No 10 parties didn't cause the misery because noone knew about them until fairly recently

I wonder if people in Number 10 looked at the news and saw the fines people were getting. The hassle from police. Going for a walk in the Peak District and getting fined. Sitting on a bench.

Did they notice Priti Patel saying people should snitch on their neighbours for parties?

Did they notice how the Daily Mail called people Covidiots?

Did they ever think that their parties and gatherings (of which there were quite a few) might look bad?

Or did they think "All people are equal but some are more equal than others"?

derxa · 12/04/2022 20:32

@Blossomtoes

but the idea that a gathering with a piece of cake brings down a PM is appalling to me. It makes our country look ridiculous. I can't imagine it happening in any other European country

All that tells me is that you just don’t understand integrity, honesty or honour. I feel very sorry for you.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Every one a corker!!!!
Roussette · 12/04/2022 20:33

derxa they caused untold misery because of what they could not do when they found out
Surely you understand that?
This woman's sister died at home from cancer. She didn't go and see her because of the rules set by the government. She feels abject guilt that she didn't break the rules like the government, who set them, DID

Blossomtoes · 12/04/2022 20:35

I’m glad you think those values are a joking matter @derxa. Like a pp, I thought you were better than this.

cakeorwine · 12/04/2022 20:35

I wonder how high in the food chain you have to be not to resign over lying, misleading or even just doing a fake press conference

"We can say it was a work event"..that's what Allegra Stratton said.

Surely she should have apologised and that would have been that.

She showed more integrity than Johnson

Roussette · 12/04/2022 20:37

Yes Allegra did

Those who think it's a joke over a piece of cake need to look to themselves
It's tip of the iceberg

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