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Ukraine Invasion: Part 20

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HappyWinter · 11/04/2022 21:30

Thanks to everyone for taking part in the thread.

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ShinyHat22 · 14/04/2022 09:33

A dance off would be fabulous

Natsku · 14/04/2022 09:35

Fantastic news about the Moskva, that's cheered me right up this morning!

The Finnish security report has been released now, with the pros and cons of joining NATO and suchlike, haven't read it yet because its long and I barely slept last night.
julkaisut.valtioneuvosto.fi/bitstream/handle/10024/164002/VN_2022_20.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

The UK Ukraine visa system is such a shambles, the government clearly doesn't actually want any refugees coming.

Natsku · 14/04/2022 09:39

@RedToothBrush

Darren McCaffery *@darrenmccaffery* NEW: Deputy Chair of Russia's Security Council Dmitry Medvedev says Russia will take measures in the Baltic if Sweden and Finland join NATO
Finnish news is reporting that what he actually said was that Sweden and Finland joining NATO isn't of great significance to Russia but Russia would strengthen its Western border and the debate about a nuclear free Baltic sea would no longer be an issue.

So looks to me like they are trying to backtrack on threats of actual action against Sweden and Finland joining because now its 'no great significance' so they can pretend they don't really care all that much but have an excuse to stick some nuclear weapons in the Baltic sea area.

YorkshireLondonMiss · 14/04/2022 09:45

@DGRossetti I took a chance on finding footage of putin plonking a tune out and I am now deeply disturbed by what I’ve found…was this back when he was semi normal?!

katem98 · 14/04/2022 09:50

[quote YorkshireLondonMiss]@DGRossetti I took a chance on finding footage of putin plonking a tune out and I am now deeply disturbed by what I’ve found…was this back when he was semi normal?!

[/quote] I just cracked right up at thisBlushGrin
minsmum · 14/04/2022 09:57

The Ukrainian Foreign Minister has adopted a puppy born in Mauriopol, the owners of the dog giving birth went missing. He is urging people to adopt animals that have been left.

TargusEasting · 14/04/2022 09:57

"More than 692 million rubles were stolen from the Northern Fleet from the 1 billion rubles allocated for the repair of anti-aircraft missile systems (SAMs) "Kinzhal", "Uragan" and "Krepost'" - Kommersant^

At average rates of exchange in 2017 that's the equivalent of $12 million. Peanuts really in military spend for a superpower.

Now here look ! These are 10 boats bought by Russian oligarchs. The total original cost of these is over 200 times the funds stolen from the Northern Fleet:

$90m - "Tango" - Vekselberg (owner)
$50m - "Phi" - Undisclosed (I wager a Russian admiral)
$75m - "Axiona" - Pumpyansky
$600m - "Crescent" - Sechin
$140m - "Valerie" - Chemezov
$577m - "Sailing Yacht A" - Melnichenko
$55m - "Lena" - Timchenko
$71m - "Lady M" - Mordaschov
$120m - "Amore Vero" – Sechin
$735m – “Dilbar” - Usmanov

I have some work to do, then I will be back.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 14/04/2022 10:00

@RedToothBrush

Darren McCaffery *@darrenmccaffery* NEW: Deputy Chair of Russia's Security Council Dmitry Medvedev says Russia will take measures in the Baltic if Sweden and Finland join NATO
And exactly what is Russia going to do? They’ve demonstrated to the world that they’re military is pretty much useless. They can’t take over one country let alone three.
DrBlackbird · 14/04/2022 10:00

[quote YorkshireLondonMiss]@DGRossetti I took a chance on finding footage of putin plonking a tune out and I am now deeply disturbed by what I’ve found…was this back when he was semi normal?!

[/quote] Putin being feted by all the Hollywood A listers in attendance. To think he’s given up that starring role on the world stage to be compared to Hitler. Why did no one in his inner circle stop him?
prettybird · 14/04/2022 10:04

So when Poland was a Warsaw Pact country, it was OK for the USSR to deploy nuclear weapons there Confused

RedToothBrush · 14/04/2022 10:16

@ScrollingLeaves

Re refugees on the Homes for Refugees scheme - Do we know if any have got through other than those on the original scheme who have family here? Or is there the possibility that Homes for Refugees is all secretly false?
Yes we do.

The government release data on the number of people who had entered the country (including data by local authority) and a break down by each scheme.

I know that several people have arrived in the country near me in the last week from a local group.

But I also know that a lot of people are having a great deal of difficulty particularly if they are missing certain documents.

I have privately by someone helping organise people coming here they are also having some concerns over who has arrived. It seems the trend is towards middle class families who are from areas, which whilst you cant class them as safe as they are in a warzone, you couldn't really class them as extremely vulnerable either. Far from the idea that we would be taking pressure off Poland struggling with sheer numbers in dire desparation who have lost everything the reality seems to be somewhat different. They are finding it distressing that the cases they are working on that are most in need are the ones having the most problems whilst the people who have got through shouldn't be a priority. Its ethically and morally upsetting to those trying to facilitate this. They don't want to pit people against each other for 'most deserving' v 'undeserving' but the lack of a proper system for matching and prioritising cases by need by the government is causing a whole load of other issues. From a couple of situations I've heard about, im not convinced its the image of refugee as most of the public are understanding. My fear this is going to undermine the whole scheme and it does make an absolute mockery of all the stuff about how we are helping refugees.

I really want the scheme to work but I fear its going to descend further into farce.

When you have a family from Sumy stuck having lost everything, and until the situation changed were talking about green corridors and have been battling the home office for weeks (and will have to travel to Poland for biometrics) and a family from Lviv who have already arrived having flown in without too much paperwork problems you kind of start to raise eyebrows.

Its awful to hear playing out.

(I don't necessarily blame the family from Lviv for leaving btw - The issue here is about how the home office have prioritised and not bust a gut on the right cases)

Saltedeggplant · 14/04/2022 10:22

Putin being feted by all the Hollywood A listers in attendance. To think he’s given up that starring role on the world stage to be compared to Hitler. Why did no one in his inner circle stop him?

Video is from 2010, by which point Putin's gov had done all sorts of horrendous shit both inside and outside of Russia, so not too much incentive for his inner circle to stop him.
You can commit war crimes in Georgia, Chechyna, have north korean slave labour camps operating in your country, poison people on UK soil with polonium, have your critics and journalists murdered mysteriously die AND still be courted by Hollywood.

RedToothBrush · 14/04/2022 10:28

@ShinyHat22

Surprisingly my MP’s caseworker resolved my case in a few days and my MP is Raab!
In fairness to Tory MPs, I've actually heard that constituency offices have been brilliant on this.

There was an article about how Tory MPs have been disgusted about how the Home Office were dealing with this and there was something of a behind the scenes backlash going on last week

And now the Home Office has down a big slap down to try and stop this.

On the same day as the Rwanda story.

The cynic in me, wonders if this is a dead cat story which will have a backlash but the real backlash that was ongoing has successfully been headed off.

The thing is though - Tory MPs have cases in progress which they are involved in (and will be now personally invested in) and they have to deal directly with their constituents who are begging them for help.

The home office gamble might well be that Ukrainians will eventually give up and that will shut up the constituents too.

This, however, is not the actions of a government who is trying to win the next election.

The people who are offering homes for refugees are firmly affluent. They fall into a certain demographic who probably are either true blue or in that potential soft blue swing voter box.

Tory MPs are already feeling vulnerable about their jobs so may feel it is worth fighting for. Its surprisingly how word gets around about stuff like this in 'middle england' shires.

Saltedeggplant · 14/04/2022 10:30

Urgh rereading my post, genuinly sorry for being a dark raincloud on a lighthearted set of posts re the singing.
I'm very much having a glass half empty day and ready to hop a spacex flight off this planet.

Tillsforthrills · 14/04/2022 10:35

Can’t remember where I read this but there’s been a problem highlighted where young females have been housed with older single men.

Very ill thought out.

RedToothBrush · 14/04/2022 10:35

Btw the May 9th deadline now seems to look more like a target to level everything in contested eastern Ukraine. This seems to be how they can spin some kind of victory in the absence of an actual one.

Talk of tactical nukes or a widening of the conflict to do something more spectacular, seems to be just that at this point.

I think thats the calculation thats now been made by the US and others. I don't know if reassures a few posters but I do think it perhaps should.

Its of no comfort to Ukrainians, particularly those in Kharkiv or with family in Kharkiv mind.

Tillsforthrills · 14/04/2022 10:39

“RedToothBrush
Btw the May 9th deadline now seems to look more like a target to level everything in contested eastern Ukraine. This seems to be how they can spin some kind of victory in the absence of an actual one.“

I’m sure you’ll turn out to be right on this, here’s hoping the UA will be armed to the teeth.

ScrollingLeaves · 14/04/2022 10:40

@RedToothbrush
Re - the current position with Homes for Ukraine, thank you for your answer.

It is upsetting and of real concern that the most in need aren’t getting through the system

RedToothBrush · 14/04/2022 10:42

@Tillsforthrills

Can’t remember where I read this but there’s been a problem highlighted where young females have been housed with older single men.

Very ill thought out.

Yeah ive seen this too.

I have no fucking idea what the thinking going on is.

Its dreadful.

EsmaCannonball · 14/04/2022 10:46

There's also footage somewhere of a very young Zelensky performing in a Russian television comedy show with Putin laughing in the audience. The laughing seems very forced, like he's trying to show he's got a sense of humour and not really someone who'd have you thrown out of a window.

DGRossetti · 14/04/2022 10:47

So looks to me like they are trying to backtrack on threats of actual action against Sweden and Finland joining because now its 'no great significance' so they can pretend they don't really care all that much but have an excuse to stick some nuclear weapons in the Baltic sea area.

If Aesop were Russian ...

RedToothBrush · 14/04/2022 10:51

[quote ScrollingLeaves]@RedToothbrush
Re - the current position with Homes for Ukraine, thank you for your answer.

It is upsetting and of real concern that the most in need aren’t getting through the system[/quote]
I am hoping the situation is different in other places.

Certainly in my council area its the more affluent areas which are organising stuff on the ground in a community way and that in turn is encouraging more people to try and host in the area.

Those in less affluent areas are concerned by the lack of Ukrainian community locally so are more hesitant.

Its a yellow area at local level, blue at general. Believe me the government should be shitting themselves over the whole fiasco.

MagicFox · 14/04/2022 10:54

Btw the May 9th deadline now seems to look more like a target to level everything in contested eastern Ukraine. This seems to be how they can spin some kind of victory in the absence of an actual one.

This is exactly what I meant when I mentioned may 9th yesterday - it makes horrible sense

ShinyHat22 · 14/04/2022 10:56

@ScrollingLeaves we have our council home check today, so let’s see how that goes.

Ijsbear · 14/04/2022 11:02

[quote YorkshireLondonMiss]@DGRossetti I took a chance on finding footage of putin plonking a tune out and I am now deeply disturbed by what I’ve found…was this back when he was semi normal?!

[/quote] Move over Sting! 3:03 minutes in