Money saving expert thinks civil unrest is coming

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There was a thread on mumsnet recently about civil unrest, views seemed to be it wouldn’t happen, the British don’t protest

Martin Lewis thinks hungry cold people will protest

I think he could be correct, what have people unable to afford heat and food got to lose?

@TmFid I don't think I'm wrong. I'm not saying we have never protested about something as we have in the past. But this post is about civil unrest due to the cost of living crisis not the vote @ArseInTheCoOpWindow

As I said we are not like the French if we were there would be civil unrest now.

But what I’m saying is Britain DOES have a history of civil unrest, of which the Suffragettes were just one example.

The Battle of Orgeave is another.

There are repeated comments on this thread that British people don’t do this sort of thing. But they do. It’s lack of knowledge of British history that people are basing this on.

Seems you don't know much British OR English history. It's littered with protests, marches, strikes, and petitions.

And yet we have accepted wage stagnation, austerity, huge & growing inequality between the rich & everyone else, the highest tax burden & fall in living standards for decades.... clearly the government think we are pushovers

@berksandbeyond

That’s a really unnecessary and particularly immature comment to make.

I think that attitude is what will cause more trouble than anything else.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow I said it's not the british way to respond to the cost of living crisis by mass civil unrest. I stand by that otherwise we wouldn't be in this current situation.
However this doesn't mean there has never been civil unrest at some point in history for numerous reasons.

I do think people have become more passive though. I was a young adult in the 80’s and 90’s. There was much more anger in the population then.

But there does seem to be an element of giving up. However social trends and issues akways change and often backlash. I wonder if things will change when the Millennials are in government.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow I'm half French, the french have already had a strike about salaries & Macron is expecting more yellow vest disruption. This is despite capping energy prices much lower than ours.

If it's so in the British psyche why are we even in our current position & why no civil unrest now?

This is what l can’t answer! I’m hoping it comes soon.

@VelvetChairGirl

Is Jacob Rees Mogg landed gentry or “new money”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Rees-Mogg

I'd say his family from what I can see have always been on the upper side of posh, weather they were landed or not I am not sure but these people often bounce around from one generation to the next still within the top bracket.

to me new money is the self made man/woman, JK for example, a footballer thats hit big, a actor thats become a hollywood star from a normal beginning like Vin Diesel I think he was a night club bouncer. new new, not passed down at all, no leg ups in childhood/youth.

Old money marries new money ( even with less class). My sibling is very enterprising but married into a well established loaded family in his industry. It means his new branch of family have the best of both - money, connections and a successful new business.

It’s very Hollywood. One unknown marries a famous. Their kids become important and on it goes.

[quote SenoraMiasma]@berksandbeyond

That’s a really unnecessary and particularly immature comment to make.

I think that attitude is what will cause more trouble than anything else.[/quote]
The advice was reasonable.

Do the people at the heart of these things brag about them or mention them?

@colosmbo

I saw this but it's not really the English way.

Poll tax

@Hellocatshome

The Government will rely on charities picking up the slack enough so people don't get hungry enough or cold enough to kick up a huge fuss. Its been happening for a long time with food banks already.

Except charities and food banks can't keep up with demand. People should not have to live like that in this country.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow but that's why I said it's not the way because look how much shite we are already taking!

I agree with Martin Lewis, not only are we in this limited financial situation but we've just come out of covid when we were restricted from going out & doing normal things, now we can we've got no money to spend on normal life.
Of course people will be angry it would be weird if they weren't

@Babyroobs

Poor people will rightly get sick of others seemingly rubbing their noses in it on social media. I'm sick of seeing people bragging about their third foreign holiday of the year and my neighbor buying yet another property to rent out. I think those that have plenty need to start being mindful of those who have nothing. I have a facebook friend who turned 50 last week and honestly she has posted numerous posts of multiple different parties / meals out/ concerts, it has literally been virtually every night for the past 8-10 days. I don't begrudge anyone a treat, and I guess it is keeping the economy going but it's just the constant bragging about it that is insensitive and unecessary.

If that’s their life then it isn’t really bragging - it’s just their life.

I imagine there will be a few that will have flasher or more holidays this year if they’ve missed out for three years. Doesn’t mean they’ll do the same next year

Those people will have a range of friends on social media too - some richer, some poorer. It’s all relative. They may think the same about someone else You can’t censor someone else for living their life but you can mute them if it upsets you. I think you’re being unreasonable - especially about your friends 50th - it’s not like it’s an average week!

@EmbarrassingHadrosaurus

I disagree.

Isnt the price cap supposed to be the MAXIMUM they can charge us, not a target? Or did I miss something somewhere??

@MibsXX

Isnt the price cap supposed to be the MAXIMUM they can charge us, not a target? Or did I miss something somewhere??

You missed the fact that it is the maximum they can charge, but the actual price of electricity and gas has increased and is more than the price they can charge.

A lot of energy companies have gone bust recently.

British history is littered with protests and civil unrest. British people DO protest. What's extinction rebellion, Kill the Bill, etc all then?

The poll tax riots came about because too many people could not afford to pay, at a time when many were flaunting wealth, the divide, like now, was huge - the Toxteth and Brixton riots were completely different. This explain the poll tax riots: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8593158.stm

I always feel that it was the Introduction of the Poll Tax in Scotland first, which gave the Independence movement there its real boost. Until then it had definitely been a bit of a minority cause.

The poll tax riots came about because too many people could not afford to pay

It was also charged per person per house so everyone had individual bills. Regardless of ability to pay.

Apart from the poll tax riots were there any other riots/protests that changed gov policy?

[quote mangipops]The poll tax riots came about because too many people could not afford to pay, at a time when many were flaunting wealth, the divide, like now, was huge - the Toxteth and Brixton riots were completely different. This explain the poll tax riots: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8593158.stm[/quote]
The system was a mess they kept taking people to court who were entitled to discounts or didnt have to pay, every time that person not the council had to pay their own costs, because the council wasnt liable.

then a few weeks after the court ruled in the persons favour the council would be at it again with the threatening letters and court orders.