Money saving expert thinks civil unrest is coming

[ivykaty44]

There was a thread on mumsnet recently about civil unrest, views seemed to be it wouldn’t happen, the British don’t protest

Martin Lewis thinks hungry cold people will protest

I think he could be correct, what have people unable to afford heat and food got to lose?

@Justanotherlurker

There won't be riots because most people understand it is a world wide issue and not specific to the current gov, there was a lot of column inches around how lockdowns would cost us.

As is evident on this thread, the people hijacking the riots will be just the anyone but tory crowd without actually offering any practical solutions to a world wide issue.

Gosh; incisive critique.

*Bugs123456

Top tips on saving the pennies if you make £2k a month only spend £500 go to food banks go charity shops for clothes seek voucher deals. Turn your gas off only use electric. You will see £17k in your bank year one. If you rent try to move up north much cheaper*

Seriously? You have to be refered to a food bank and no one is going to refer you so you can save £1500 a month! Plus who the hell can only spend £500 a month, my mortgage payment alone is more than that and I live in a cheap house!

[quote Narcoanonymoose]@Justanotherlurker I guess you are one of the 'never the fault of the tories despite 12 years to improve things' crowd [/quote]
Beautifully, and precisely, put.

I’ve come to realise that we are as a society living pretty close to civil unrest.
It only takes a recession, financial hardship, covid lockdowns, a inequality etc and there’s the likelihood of riots etc.
i can definitely envisage things kicking off again before long. The government had better wake up and see the danger signs of dissatisfaction and be seen to do more to help people struggling before it gets ugly.

The Queen pays around £4-5 million in income tax. Starbucks pays around £2million
And there are people who make even more money who pay no tax at all

The queen pays tax on the money we have given her. No comparison to the rest of us.

@Insanelysilver

I’ve come to realise that we are as a society living pretty close to civil unrest. It only takes a recession, financial hardship, covid lockdowns, a inequality etc and there’s the likelihood of riots etc. i can definitely envisage things kicking off again before long. The government had better wake up and see the danger signs of dissatisfaction and be seen to do more to help people struggling before it gets ugly.

Yep. Remember the riots? Yes put down to feckless teenagers but there were “naice” photogenic kids that were involved.

The anger is rising among various professions - teachers, the NHS, etc.

I am even thinking of marching on the 18Th June.

I’ve fucking had enough and raging on Twitter or mumsnet just doesn’t cut it anymore.

@ivykaty44

There was a thread on mumsnet recently about civil unrest, views seemed to be it wouldn’t happen, the British don’t protest

Martin Lewis thinks hungry cold people will protest

I think he could be correct, what have people unable to afford heat and food got to lose?

Seriously?? Who remembers the London riots in 2011?

And let us not forget Alfred Henry Lewis stated in 1906 - “There are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy”. When people can't put food on the table, things go pear-shaped fast.

Consider this, when Biden, BJ & other western leaders hit Russia with sanctions, it meant Russians couldn't get western luxuries like new BMW's or Gucci handbags – Boo Hoo!

But they knew full well that food, energy and oil prices would be going up a heck of a lot faster than they otherwise would. Just what we need when we already have a “cost of living crisis”!

Beyond that, this was an avoidable war. I see the parallels with the Cuban missile crisis. They really goofed it up, and we are the one that have to pay the price – literally and metaphorically.

But, to answer your question, it really depends on how bad things get, and today, that is an open question. What I can say is, firstly, this whole sorry state of affairs was avoidable. Second, it will take years for the supply chains to re-align. Expect increased prices & inflation for years to come. As for riots, time will tell.

I remember the riots in London because they were close by.

We had to evacuate Sainsbury’s as a mob were on their way

I remember it was hot, and there was a trigger

I’m not sure we’ll see it from this tbh

@DoorWasAJar

I didn't say anything about care workers directly?

@Insanelysilver

I’ve come to realise that we are as a society living pretty close to civil unrest. It only takes a recession, financial hardship, covid lockdowns, a inequality etc and there’s the likelihood of riots etc. i can definitely envisage things kicking off again before long. The government had better wake up and see the danger signs of dissatisfaction and be seen to do more to help people struggling before it gets ugly.

And people say "this cant happen in the 21st century"

or "we are a wealthy nation, this cant happen"

Newsflash
Yes it can and yes it can.

What is so special about now compared to the rest of history?

@SenoraMiasma

I think that regardless of the big things that seem to get our attention (Amazon/tax/Sunak, etc) we would do well to focus on the quality of service we get for every day things.

I have just spent twenty minutes on hold to HMRC at a charge of £4 to my phone.

These are the ways that money disappears - the last twenty or so years has seen such a huge shift from the corporate/institution in to to the individual so some people cannot breathe with the weight of everything on them. We do all the form filling online now when once that was someone’s job so a certain fatigue sets in after a while.

It’s this shift that is noticeable to me - I would really support a campaign that looked at putting some of the responsibility for this back on the sectors who generate it for example - no charge whilst you are on hold or the company is charged- free numbers for popular lines, etc.

Unfortunately I think the people who get listened to because they cause trouble otherwise are now quite well insulated from the problems.

Agreed

We are well on our way to becoming numbers in a system.
Our humanity is being stripped away.

Like the poll tax riots?

We have a perfect storm brewing. The government couldn't care less about people. Of course there will be civil unrest. When people are hungry anger will come to the fore. Don't forget that energy costs increase in October. People will be starving then. Oh yes I think we are in for a proper show of uproar. I'm a pensioner and am huddled in blankets. I wish I had the guts to top myself, because it's going to get a worse.

@colosmbo

I saw this but it's not really the English way.

I think you’re wrong. Riots/ civil unrest aren’t that uncommon. Poll tax riots, civil disturbances in northern towns in the early 2000s, there were regular riots in the 1980’s, and more recently the riots in Croydon in 2011 are just a few that spring to mind. The French have the right idea and we should emulate their attitude because putting up with this shite, allows them to keep thinking they can get away with anything.

colosmbo
I saw this but it's not really the English way.

How do you think we got the vote?*

Extreme civil unrest

The french gas ,electric bills have gone up 5% ours around 54% thats why the french are not rioting.
In truth we should take a leaf out of what the french do and riot as it seems the government always do a u turn when they do.

@MarshaBradyo

I remember the riots in London because they were close by.

We had to evacuate Sainsbury’s as a mob were on their way

I remember it was hot, and there was a trigger

I’m not sure we’ll see it from this tbh

Asda got evacuated/shut early they were putting the shutters down as we left as the mob was on its way. didnt really see anything of intrest that night, when I went down to the high street the next day, thee banks all had there windows smashed in and egged, the big fancy 1mil plus houses had been all egged and some windows smashed along with the 40k+ cars. the same houses but with multiple door buzzers because they had been split up into flats where left alone along with the more normal cars.

I was impressed by how savvy the rioters had been they made their point clear.

@RomansTheyGoTheHouse “ This is not true and I have been worried for the last 5+ years that we (the West) are seeing the end of democracy and the rise of facism once more. But we've not been awake to it.”

Yes! There’s been a big surge of alt right in the west fuelled by the internet and media in the last 10yrs. It appears strategic. Democracy seems extremely fragile right now.

No one will want to waste any food hopefully

@Sbbhnfc

Yes. Why do you think Patel and her mates have been trying to get the Police Bill through? Why do you think the nudge unit and others have been practising psyops and mass obedience on us since at least 9/11? (not that it was called that then). The pandemic was just the dress rehearsal...as others have said, if this were France the riots would have happened long ago.

Generally if you look at history though riots start when basic staple foods get unaffordable and when the middle classes start being affected. (Mostly the genuinely poor are just too busy fighting to stay alive.)

We're almost there. And while I have every sympathy for the horrific scenes unfolding in Ukraine (one of the world's biggest exporters of wheat and sunflower oil) I really do wonder what Chamberlain, sorry Johnson, is really doing there and whether the Tory puppetmaster in the Kremlin issued some kind of edict. Or whether more than a bit of techno green screen smoke and mirrors has been applied. Wandering about the capital of Ukraine in a business suit? No flak jacket, helmet, just tor starters? Something literally isn't right with that picture. His devoted followers will continue to lap it all up though. All he was missing was the fat cigar....

That may sound a bit cynical and verging on conspiracy theory but BJ and his money worshipping chums long since sold what was left of their tattered souls to the devil...I'm just wondering at what point they're all going to start "disappearing" and heading off to their bunkers in New Zealand and the like...!

Buckle up - it's all about to get REALLY interesting.

@sbbhnfc you are spot on!

I don't think the cost of heating is going to be an issue until next winter. It's "just" electricity.
We haven't needed our heating of for the last couple of weeks (Wiltshire) and it's only going to get warmer.
Hoping that by the time we do need to put the heating on again gas will have come down in price.

We’ve bloody needed the heating on up north. It’s been minus something the last few nights.

Poll tax riots so yes people of the UK do protest

Life has changed dramatically since the poll tax riots.
There are so many jobs that are zero hours now that there are many more people literally living hand to mouth. Lack of job security is a huge factor in peoples sense of safety and levels of tolerance of hardship.
Charities are struggling as never before and very rich people are getting richer with the few voices( I think there are 12) saying tax us more. Most are hanging on to their wealth like they will need it in hell.
Resentment of that is massive. There nothing worse than realising that however hard you work you’re never going to get out of chronic awful debt and then finding you can’t feed your kids properly. It’s truely truely hell here on earth and yes, people have nothing to lose. I fear civil unrest but also think it maybe the only way to achieve change.

@Babyroobs

Poor people will rightly get sick of others seemingly rubbing their noses in it on social media. I'm sick of seeing people bragging about their third foreign holiday of the year and my neighbor buying yet another property to rent out. I think those that have plenty need to start being mindful of those who have nothing. I have a facebook friend who turned 50 last week and honestly she has posted numerous posts of multiple different parties / meals out/ concerts, it has literally been virtually every night for the past 8-10 days. I don't begrudge anyone a treat, and I guess it is keeping the economy going but it's just the constant bragging about it that is insensitive and unecessary.

You could just unfollow people if you don’t like them enough to be happy for them.