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Ukraine Invasion: Part 19

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MagicFox · 06/04/2022 20:38

Welcome friends, still going

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PaperTyger · 11/04/2022 19:52

That's great about the yoga mats but the war isn't over is this really the time to be giving away secrets!

Re new Zealand the soldiers are not going into Ukraine are they? Helping out in Germany and ferrying stuff.
However, wonderful contribution and effort.
Has UAE it or the council sent anything yet, whom zelensky spoke too?

RedToothBrush · 11/04/2022 19:56

Jack Detsch @JackDetsch
Russia is nearing 50 days of war in Ukraine.

Here's the snapshot that U.S. is seeing, according to a senior U.S. defense official who briefed reporters today on day 46 of the war.

Russia's pace of missile launches has actually gone DOWN in recent days as the Kremlin has re-adjusted for operations in the Donbas.

Weeks ago, Russia's average of missile launches per day was around 50. That number has sunk as we approach day 50.

from earlier
Jack Detsch @JackDetsch
NEW: Russia has launched more than 1,500 missiles into Ukraine in more than 46 days war of in Ukraine: senior U.S. defense official.

Russia is focusing missile strikes in the Donbas. 🇷🇺 has fired an average of about 32 missiles a day in Ukraine.

Jack Detsch @JackDetsch
Russia's new offensive in Donbas has yet to begin, U.S. officials caution.

But 🇷🇺 has started reinforcing military positions southwest of Donetsk in an effort to prepare. And it is resupplying some units on the ground and moving others out of country.

Top Pentagon officials expect that Russia's campaign in the Donbas will be more of a close quarters fight – with mechanized forces nose-to-nose backed by artillery – instead of shelling cities from distance, like the abortive drive on Kyiv.

That is dovetailing with the weapons systems that the US & European nations want to supply to Ukraine.

Several nations are considering sending tanks to 🇺🇦 to take on Russian armor in the Donbas. And the US is looking for more options to train 🇺🇦 on drones

But Russia is still licking its wounds from the effort to take Kyiv.

About 20 battalion tactical groups – maneuver units that form the backbone of Russia's military in 🇺🇦 – are regrouping in W 🇷🇺 & Belarus.

Another 20 BTGs are near Donbas.

Russian units that could overcome Ukrainian forces in Sumy & Chernihiv are out of the fight – and it's not clear whether they will return.

And some others are likely done for good (other Western estimates indicate ~1/4 of Russian BTGs now inoperable).

Putin is also appointing Gen. Alexandr Dvornikov – known as "the butcher" for ordering 🇷🇺 strikes that flattened Syria's Aleppo – as head of all forces in 🇺🇦.

But US & European officials don't believe Dvornikov can solve 🇷🇺 logistical problems overnight.

Instead, Dvornikov, who fought in Russia's two brutal wars in Chechnya in the 1990s and early 2000s that destroyed another famous city, Grozny, is likely to make Russia's war in Ukraine even more focused on targeting civilians, officials indicated.

Igotjelly · 11/04/2022 19:57

@PaperTyger

That's great about the yoga mats but the war isn't over is this really the time to be giving away secrets!

Re new Zealand the soldiers are not going into Ukraine are they? Helping out in Germany and ferrying stuff.
However, wonderful contribution and effort.
Has UAE it or the council sent anything yet, whom zelensky spoke too?

Yeh think I read that the troops will definitely not be going into Ukraine.
PestorPeston · 11/04/2022 19:58

Ordinary but poor towns in Russia. Feck Putin is a traitor, he has sold his population a lie. In Russia the top 0.001% own more than the bottom 80%
twitter.com/i/status/1513524458077802497

Ukraine Invasion: Part 19
DuncinToffee · 11/04/2022 19:59

French gendarme unit has arrived at Ukraine to help Ukrainian law enforcement authorities to investigate war crimes in Kyiv Oblast — France’s ambassador to Ukraine Etienne de Poncins
twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1513584302780555264?t=aBEdHo01XnO4gEH4s1TbQg&s=19

RedToothBrush · 11/04/2022 20:15

In what way? That you don’t believe it to be true?

Organising it and carrying it out are two different things.

How do you persuade people to actually GO? How do you make sure they are aware?

And what happens to them as they leave? Numerous buses have already gone awol.

And then what? Are they going to check everyone on the bus? Is this a way to 'flush out' people so that the Russians can 'get them'?

Are what happens after the buses leave? There's already talk of chemical weapons.

If there are 'no civillians left in Mariupol', what happens to everyone left? This is the last opportunity to get out. The very last.

HappyWinter · 11/04/2022 20:26

I hope they are able to get 150,000 out of Mariupol, it sounds like it is the last chance. The Ukrainian soldiers in Mariupol have been so brave.

Not sure if anyone else has seen this, it's possible to donate to Ukraine's MoD, there's a link on their government website.

PestorPeston · 11/04/2022 20:27

The Azov Regiment reports that about an hour ago #Russian troops used a toxic substance of unknown origin against Ukrainian military and civilians in the city of #Mariupol.

The victims suffered from respiratory failure and vestibulo-attack syndrome.

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1513598049251209222

DuncinToffee · 11/04/2022 20:31

Kevin Rothrock tweeted this about an hour ago

Here’s “Donetsk People’s Republic” defense spokesman Eduard Basurin advocating the use of “chemical troops” against Mariupol’s last-remaining defenders. “They’ll find a way to smoke these moles out of their holes,” he says
twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1513583713342394372?t=MbewyGth7m1QTKSyezrAWA&s=19

Seems they actually did it Angry

Igotjelly · 11/04/2022 20:33

Fuckers

HappyWinter · 11/04/2022 20:34

Similar from IuliiaMendel

A Russian militant from occupied Donetsk, said that Ukrainian defenders of Mariupol should be blocked at the Azovstal plant and then chemical weapons should be used there.
Russian media reports

RedToothBrush · 11/04/2022 20:41

[quote PestorPeston]The Azov Regiment reports that about an hour ago #Russian troops used a toxic substance of unknown origin against Ukrainian military and civilians in the city of #Mariupol.

The victims suffered from respiratory failure and vestibulo-attack syndrome.

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1513598049251209222[/quote]
Fucking hell. I hope its not true but I fear it is.

It would explain the agreement on the buses. Make a big promise like that to show how nice you are to your own public. Then gas.

I sincerely doubt it the evacuation will happen.

Alexandra2001 · 11/04/2022 20:43

@HappyWinter

I hope they are able to get 150,000 out of Mariupol, it sounds like it is the last chance. The Ukrainian soldiers in Mariupol have been so brave.

Not sure if anyone else has seen this, it's possible to donate to Ukraine's MoD, there's a link on their government website.

Russia wont deliberately let anyone out, not to the West.

I listened to an ex General saying that his opinion, once Russia has secured the South and East, they will re visit Kyiv.

I know i shouldn't and do try not too but sometimes i hate everything and everyone in Russia, Putin has so much support and ordinary Russians, despite being told by friends of relatives from abroad or even from Ukraine, still back this monster.

Shuuu · 11/04/2022 20:50

@Alexandra2001 I’m feeling the same. Lately I’ve been wanting Ukraine to start striking Russia. Start destroying their country. Why should it just be Ukraine that’s being turned to rubble.

Ijsbear · 11/04/2022 20:51

If this chemical attack is true then NATO needs to go in.

Putin knew this was the red line; once crossed, if the West does nothing, he will carry on. It could escalate into greater chemical attacks then battlefield nukes.

If it's true then NATO -has- to act.

Igotjelly · 11/04/2022 20:54

They wont. I’m not convinced there even is a line that if Russia crossed it in Ukraine it would lead to NATO action. Heck I’m not entirely convinced there would even be action if an Eastern European NATO member was hit.

HappyWinter · 11/04/2022 20:56

I fear they won't either, but I am hoping. The tweet reads like they have already been allowed to leave, but I haven't seen anything else about it.

I'm not Ukrainian, but I will never forgive Russia for what they have done there, for all the atrocities that they have committed. I know that it is not everyone in Russia, but it is hard to look at such horrors. Someone I know is Russian and it's hard not to ask wtf is wrong with their country, but I'm polite so I won't. It isn't their fault.

Igotjelly · 11/04/2022 20:56

I actually believe that Biden ruled out direct NATO military intervention in response to a chemical attack earlier today.

Ijsbear · 11/04/2022 20:57

Don't hate most of the Russian people. They have been lied to - and when all this is done, we will discover things that we have not been told now, that are not good.

And going into Russia in revenge is 1) deeply impractical and 2) a really, really bad idea.

Ijsbear · 11/04/2022 20:57

@Igotjelly

I actually believe that Biden ruled out direct NATO military intervention in response to a chemical attack earlier today.
Oh no. That is dismaying.

Putin will just keep on going.

eglantine7 · 11/04/2022 20:58

@Alexandra2001
I really don't think anyone knows the extent of Russian support for the War.

MagicFox · 11/04/2022 21:04

What do you mean by 'act' and what would the wider implications of that be? Ukraine is not a NATO country- it's a hard truth, but isn't that where the red line is? I'm not trying to be obtuse but it seems like the idea NATO is in control here and can just step in and fix the situation doesn't seem realistic. It's hard to balance distress at what is happening with being mindful about what it will actually mean for NATO to get involved. I can't bear the way the world is. I don't know how this will end,it just keeps getting worse and worse.

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RedToothBrush · 11/04/2022 21:08

Mark Urban @MarkUrban01 (Newsnight)
The number of Russian battalion tactical groups (700-1k soldiers each) rendered combat ineffective in the Ukraine war so far has been reassessed at 37-38 according to a western official, leaving 90 operational. That suggests heavier losses than previously thought

Illia Ponomarenko @IAPonomarenko
Keep hesitating about whether new weapons may provoke Putin, yeah.
Take your time, no rush.

Ijsbear · 11/04/2022 21:12

What do you mean by 'act' and what would the wider implications of that be? Ukraine is not a NATO country- it's a hard truth, but isn't that where the red line is?

it was said that chemical attacks would draw a response. If we do not fulfill our word then - our word is worth nothing and every other country on the planet will know that we can be walked over. And Ukraine will be left with yet another broken promise, when promises count.

Do promises mean nothing?

MagicFox · 11/04/2022 21:14

I don't think there was a hard and fast promise, the language was all very vague. They don't want to make the same mistake re red lines as Obama did

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