Ukraine Invasion: Part 19

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Welcome friends, still going

It feels like it's getting to the tipping point.

UN vote tomorrow, let's see. Will they get rid of Russia. If so, can we go in on a humanitarian basis? I mean it's bloody valid, isn't it??

Kyiv Independent

According to Ukraine’s Armed Forces, Russia plans to capture Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts. The Russian military is regrouping and conducting reconnaissance. The regrouping of troops in Russia’s Bryansk and Kursk regions is nearing completion.

Checking in. Thanks for the new thread.

Tiddy.

The main problem is we are too slow.
We need to get in now on a peace keeping basis now.
Flood the area with boot's.

@HeechulOppa

It was Twitter comments

Always too slow, too reactive. Everything should have been in place before the invasion began. If ordinary people on the street can see this, obviously those in power could/can too. It’s infuriating.

Agree Paper

And finally:

www.channel4.com/news/western-timidity-almost-given-green-light-to-russian-atrocities-tory-mp-says

[quote TiddyTidTwo]Agree Paper

And finally:

www.channel4.com/news/western-timidity-almost-given-green-light-to-russian-atrocities-tory-mp-says[/quote]
Presumably he has resigned from a party that is in significant part funded by Russians?

Why should he automatically resign? Don’t jump to that kind of sound bite. Sometimes people can do good things by staying in an organisation and trying to change it from within rather than running. Fight rather than flight. He has also served so perhaps cut him slack before rushing to that sound bite.

Thanks for the new thread.

I spent too much time on Twitter today and my mind is bit blown by the horror of it all and by the fact that there are people twisting themselves into knots to deny what is happening. The likes of Georve Galloway, who is now bleating about Twtter putting the ^Russia State Affiliated Media" tag on him. Odious twerp.

twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1511729349204103170?s=20&t=rkyc1qJZDzXowirhZnGadg

Sorry for typos. I haven't even had any wine!

Funded by and influenced are different things.

You see this is why even though I don't believe at all Merkel is intrinsically a bad person, unfortunately her policies, beliefs And encouragement Have a large part to play as to why we are here now esp Nord stream reference earlier.

What actual policy has Boris put into action that's directly benefit Putin?
Washed money through London via yahyts and property yes.
Like Paris , Rome...
What else?

Claudine yes the stop the war group, odious, corrupted, frightening.

Extreme views of any sort are what I shy away from.

@PaperTyger

Funded by and influenced are different things.

You see this is why even though I don't believe at all Merkel is intrinsically a bad person, unfortunately her policies, beliefs And encouragement Have a large part to play as to why we are here now esp Nord stream reference earlier.

What actual policy has Boris put into action that's directly benefit Putin?
Washed money through London via yahyts and property yes.
Like Paris , Rome...
What else?

Brexit.

[quote TiddyTidTwo]Agree Paper

And finally:

www.channel4.com/news/western-timidity-almost-given-green-light-to-russian-atrocities-tory-mp-says[/quote]
I wholeheartedly agree with Tobias Ellwood, Chair of the Defence Select, in the video.

NATO and if necessary UK and the 'willing countries' needs to step up now and give Ukraine the hardware to push Russia back. It is about ensuring that Ukraine wins. Until this happens, it is tantamount to giving the Russia the greenlight to commit more atrocities.

Pmk

Jgw1 in that case let's all give ourselves to Putin now as his slave's.

@PaperTyger

Claudine yes the stop the war group, odious, corrupted, frightening.

Extreme views of any sort are what I shy away from.

Paper, sorry to be thick but I don't know the group you mean? Do you mean these folk? Are they denying the atrocities? I haven't seen anything to suggest they are. Sorry if I have misunderstood.

mobile.twitter.com/STWuk?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Claudine if they are the one's actually blaming NATO aggression for Putin's action then yes.

Thank you

@ClaudineClare unfortunately on this one I would again have to say that I stand very firmly behind this and would suggest you read into this further. Corbyn has been calling for Ukraine to be demilitarised for years and has been a regular contributor on Russian propaganda channels.

Are you aware that within the last week Corbyn spoke at a 'all sides (ie Russians and Ukrainians) are wrong' event, were pamphlets were handed out claiming the US was the aggressor, and where a Ukrainian who tried to speak and say they had been invaded was dragged out? Have you seen the video of Diane Abbott this week?

Did you closely follows Corbyn's actions during the Salisbury fiasco? Have you seen his numerous RT appearances? Or show he hosted Kremlin-linked figures for years? And the stance he took on previous Russian actions?

Calling Corbyn a Kremlin-sympathiser is not just something I would stand behind but if I were sued for libel I would go for a defence of actual fact rather than genuine opinion. Please read about this topic in detail.

www.jewishnews.co.uk/corbyns-stop-the-war-speech-interrupted-by-cries-of-shame-on-you/

and if you look on Twitter you can see clips as well as the papers handed out at that meeting.

^^ from the other thread - whats going on 22
.

you were already answered on this> so dont get the faux quel surprise.

I thought we had gone down this road - ( i am not 22

It is all horrifying. What happened to a very large number of women in Germany by the use of rape as a weapon was appalling and a war crime, there is no doubt about that. It happened however at the end of 6 years of world war where Germany had very much been the enemy and invader of Russia.

The situation in Ukraine is different. This is a few weeks old and Ukraine is predominately an Orthodox country, with despite recent splits, a substantial portion of the Church still directly linked to the Moscow Patriarchate under Patriarch (friend of Putin) Kirill. There are profound spiritual links that managed to survive the atrocity of the Holodomor genocide. The Ukrainians are not "other" to the Russians in the way longstanding enemies become "other" or those of other races and religions do (with tragic consequences) It is their brothers and sisters in Orthodoxy, in a country they see as part of "Holy Rus", that they are torturing, raping and murdering, people who not 2 months ago they were at peace with.

Even allowing for how quickly human beings can become debased, there is a quality to some of these events that to me speaks of deliberate orchestration with assent from power. I don't know whether being right or wrong about this would be worse.

Ive been reading the threads but not had much to add lately. Im so horrified by the videos and photos from the last couple of days and am starting to lean more to us needing to do what the emotional side of me wants which is to actually send troops in to get the Russian army out of Ukraine. The thought of this happening in Ukrainian Towns again and again when NATO can actually stop it feels lncredibly frustrating and inhumane.