If there was a general election tomorrow and you were an ordinary woman on an average wage..

[Kreuzberg]

Who would you really vote for ? A party wishy washy on self ID and other trans issues with a gobby brash deputy leader who puts her foot in it and a lacking in charisma but well meaning leader or a party that implemented austerity, savage cuts to all public services, oversaw the deaths of 150,000, deceitful, pork barrel politics, corrupt, but with a teflon coated populist leader, plummy voiced slick mps and a less wishy washy stance on self ID (although not necessarily to be trusted)
What is most important to women earning £30,000 who are going to be hugely affected by the spiralling cost of living, struggling to heat their homes, feed their kids ? Issues very much the result of conservative policies like brexit, austerity etc or trans issues ?
I'm not pro self ID but not cat in hells chance I'd ever vote tory either. Their past record is not erased just because they say they know what a woman is. I'm addressing this to average earners too as they are on the front line.

Anyone voting for the Tories cannot care for the vulnerable children, the elderly or the disabled in this country

The Tories are literally killing people with their lack of protection and their culture wars - stunned people openly admit that they see the Tories as a better option than all the other parties

Makes me despair at the people who I live alongside

@scorpio32, the whole world went bankrupt, not entirely sure that was the fault of the Labour Party. As for devaluing education, it wasn’t the Labour Party that took ‘To kill a mockingbird’, The Handmaid’s Tale and various pieces other foreign literature off the reading lists.
As for PPI, let’s not forget it was Majo’s government that introduced it.

@MarshaBradyo I asked your views on the multitude of different ways tories ave already shafted women. Your answer just a mealy mouthed non answer about labour not listening. You allegedly care about women raped in prison by transwomem ? What about the current treatment of those very women in abysmal prisons due to 12 years of tory underfunding ? The lack of rehab centres ? Safe refuges ?

[quote Kreuzberg]**@MarshaBradyo* I asked your views on the multitude of different ways tories ave already* shafted women. Your answer just a mealy mouthed non answer about labour not listening. You allegedly care about women raped in prison by transwomem ? What about the current treatment of those very women in abysmal prisons due to 12 years of tory underfunding ? The lack of rehab centres ? Safe refuges ?[/quote]
I didn’t see you ask me anything, and I was obviously quoting another poster so why did you think it was directed to you?

I’m interested why did you start this thread

In the op it looked like you were unsure about voting but now you are berating anyone who is answering in a particular way.

Bloody love Angela Raynor. Got her head screwed on right.

100% Labour.

Any woman that think the Tory’s give a shit about you is really deluded. I don’t believe Labour do that much either, but Tory policies have overwhelmingly fucked over women.

Labour.

The absolute fucking state of the country is more important than self-id.

Currently I will vote Labour because anything else is a vote to harm women and children (especially vulnerable women and children) through severe Tory cuts.

However I’d love to vote for a party that could think sensibly about gender politics AND redress the damage done by Tory extreme wealth inequality.

I would probably have to vote Lib dem here, it is very conservative but has had lib dem local government in the past, people in the majority can't quite seem to stretch to Labour.

If I thought the Monster raving loony party were in with a chance I would vote for them, absolutely anything other than the Conservatives. Which is a shame because from a local politics point of view, they are not that bad locally.
The level of cognitive dissonance they all have to go through whilst dealing with massive national cuts to their budget and simultaneously telling the voting public the Conservatives are a safe pair of hands when it comes to the economy is something to behold.

Don't blame self imposed feelings of guilt or prickings of conscience on me.

What are you talking about? Why would I feel guilty? Do you know anything about my voting tendencies or my political veiws?

I've never voted for the Conservative party (although I might next time round) and as flawed as our system is I'm a big fan of democracy. I don't make a habit of demonising people who have different priorities to me. Carry on insulting others, was the red wall not enough of a lesson for Labour? I'd quite like it if some Labour voters and the Labour party generally could stop being so rude about the people they need votes from, it's effectively handing the Conservatives a win. Stop blaming other people for the government we have and look to how your own attitude may be alienating people.

Vote for us you stupid, selfish, bigots is not a great campaign slogan. I really shouldn't need to explain that.

SNP because independence is scotlands best hope of avoiding tory governments forever more. If I was in England then Labour.

People who vote for the Tories over Labour because they respect women more…

Please remember the Tories DID NOT want to make misogyny a hate crime. Please remember this.

The Labour self ID debate has been fuelled by the right wing press, Labour do not want to ignore women or treat them as second class citizens. Please stop falling for this nonsense.

@Gilead, Gordon Browns 'No more boom or bust' and light touch regulation were direct contributors to the Financial crash. Yes, it was a global event, but London was at the heart of it and Gordon Brown enabled it.

PFI expanded massively under Tony Blair. The NHS has been crippled by this. Around £50bn left to pay for Labour 'saving the NHS' and people criticise the Tories for trying to sell off the NHS.

Labour.

Morally bankrupt leaders need removing.

I work in education, I want your children to grow up in a respectful, moral, fair country. The Tories must go.

I also want to still have the public services we have, services that provide for those who need it.

@Rachelw84

Anyone voting for the Tories cannot care for the vulnerable children, the elderly or the disabled in this country

The Tories are literally killing people with their lack of protection and their culture wars - stunned people openly admit that they see the Tories as a better option than all the other parties

Makes me despair at the people who I live alongside

I think this sums up my views. And then the result of that is I am so disgusted by my fellow English voters that my old labour drive has left me. "We" keep voting for the absolute shits that are the Tory party, so ok if that's democracy and the will of the people then you can crack on, vote in haste repent at leisure, and I'm alright personally thanks.

Spoilt ballot for me as it was last time cos of Trans issue. I'm not voting for a party that denies my existence as a woman.

@scorpio32

I'd vote Tory, and I'd vote Tory even if Labour went full volte face and declared that women were adult human females.

I've not forgiven them for the chaos they caused last time they were in power - devaluing education, loading the NHS with PPI, selling our gold at rock bottom prices, enabling the gambling industry, the war in Iraq, bankrupting the country

Anyone who things labour is better than the Tories have very short memories.

Is this clever irony? Because anyone voting Tory must have an even shorter memory, surely?

@Nightlystroll

I can't quote your post as you already quoted mine...

"But I think Keir Starmer is part of the problem. I've spoken in his defence in the past and I'm sure he's a nice guy but that's not what politics is about. If what you say is true, then why can't Starmer get it across? Why isn't he romping it in the polls? What we need is a labour leader who is not boringly forensic, but is capable of painting a big picture. Who can detect how the political wind is blowing and can come up with comprehensive responses that can be understood. That is capable of having a foot in two camps.
Starmer will never be able to do this because he is not a natural politician. He's a dull barrister."

Honestly another politician who sees how the wind is blowing and responds accordingly is the last thing we need.

Please, not another populist "character" with absolutely no political compass.

There was a time before when serious politicians were respected and weren't expected to behave like game show hosts, doing a bit of flag waving and dumbing down the whole country.

Anyone who things labour is better than the Tories have very short memories

Or quite decent memories given how long the Conservatives have been in power now ? I think they will get in once more, people still believe they are a safe pair of hands when it comes to the economy, so will hope that they will pull us through, they won't, Labour will get in and the Conservatives will blame them for the recession they have inherited. All the while the vast majority of the UK will be plagued by the short termism of politics.

^Vote for us you stupid, selfish, bigots is not a great campaign slogan. I really shouldn't need to explain that.*

Exactly.

Labour.

The self ID thing is ridiculous but will be seen for what it is soon enough.

Labour should really notice what they're doing and who they're alienating, but even a disappointingly flaky labour government would be a hundred times better than any Tory government.

@Rachelw84

People who vote for the Tories over Labour because they respect women more…

Please remember the Tories DID NOT want to make misogyny a hate crime. Please remember this.

The Labour self ID debate has been fuelled by the right wing press, Labour do not want to ignore women or treat them as second class citizens. Please stop falling for this nonsense.

Absolutely.

This issue is a minefield in my own home for gods sake.

Look at the vitriol directed at folks like JK Rowling and Graham Linehan.

I am quite prepared to forgive KS's ambiguity on this one.

And the idea that womens right are safe in Tory hands is laughable.

The whole country's right to peacefully protest ANYTHING has been seriously harmed by them.

Conservative. It's the least worst option for me. I'd refuse to vote Labour even if they were the only party left in existence.

The thing about Labour that really stings for me is that they haven't once had a female leader, the Conservatives have had two female Prime Ministers. Why is that ?

Definitely not Labour. Other than that, I'm really not sure.

@Wrongkindofovercoat

The thing about Labour that really stings for me is that they haven't once had a female leader, the Conservatives have had two female Prime Ministers. Why is that ?

Yeah and Margaret Thatcher did so much for women.

Oh wait 🙄