If there was a general election tomorrow and you were an ordinary woman on an average wage..

[Kreuzberg]

Who would you really vote for ? A party wishy washy on self ID and other trans issues with a gobby brash deputy leader who puts her foot in it and a lacking in charisma but well meaning leader or a party that implemented austerity, savage cuts to all public services, oversaw the deaths of 150,000, deceitful, pork barrel politics, corrupt, but with a teflon coated populist leader, plummy voiced slick mps and a less wishy washy stance on self ID (although not necessarily to be trusted)
What is most important to women earning £30,000 who are going to be hugely affected by the spiralling cost of living, struggling to heat their homes, feed their kids ? Issues very much the result of conservative policies like brexit, austerity etc or trans issues ?
I'm not pro self ID but not cat in hells chance I'd ever vote tory either. Their past record is not erased just because they say they know what a woman is. I'm addressing this to average earners too as they are on the front line.

@Nightlystroll

Democracy is on its knees. Without proportional representation any election is a sham an illusion to fool us into thinking this is a democratic country.

There'll be a GE in two years an people can vote how they see fit. That is democracy. As for PR, there was a free vote on it 10 years ago and the country rejected it. Democracy in action. Just because you don't agree with the result, it doesn't mean the result wasn't democratically obtained.

You may want to inform yourself on the difference between proportional representation and the referendum you mention which was on the Alternative vote.

www.electoral-reform.org.uk/was-there-a-referendum-on-proportional-representation/

Makes me mad that I now don't have anyone to vote for (I would absolutely never ever vote Tory). No longer can vote Labour - To think women fought and died to get the vote and some MPs have no idea what exactly a woman is!!

Tory are the only people interested in womans rights.

You are wrong. Tory party are interested in Tory party.

@Xenia
Call Starmer what you want, but, unlike Johnson, it would be wrong to call him a racist, a homophobe, a proven liar, a philanderer, a law breaker, or guilty of nepotism.

He is a misogynist though. And I call it lying to not be able to answer the question 'what is a woman'. Because he knows.

Conservatives

I'd be voting for whatever party that could get the corrupt Conservative party out of power.

And Johnson isn't a misogynist? If people truly think him tripping out a few soundbites makes him on their side, then I fear for the country even more. That's what got us Brexit.

@RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie

And Johnson isn't a misogynist? If people truly think him tripping out a few soundbites makes him on their side, then I fear for the country even more. That's what got us Brexit.

Right? People are so gullible.

I'm not an average earner, but I'd either vote LibDem or invalidate my vote.

As for PR, there was a free vote on it 10 years ago and the country rejected it.

No there wasnt, AV and PR arent the same thing

People aren’t gullible apart from those who believe men can become women. So that’ll be Kier then. With Kier being so spineless he makes it impossible to vote for. Boris could have any ridiculous policies he chooses but if he can stand up and say what a woman is he gets my vote. Basic biology and honesty is that important to me.

I think I'm going to have to spoil my paper for the first time in my life.

Amazing how the Tories have got people so worked up about the culture wars that they’ll ignore the failing health service, social care, corruption, lies and tax dodges because Boris says a few things about biology. However, while I think Keir Starmer is a decent, clever, hardworking man, and has done much to rid the Labour Party of Corbyn’s toxicity, I cant see people being inspired to vote for him in the same way Labour won in 1997 after years of a rotting Tory government. But I’m amazed that people can’t see the Tories have been trolling us for a while now. Even the disastrous Brexit hasn’t made us wake up.

It’s Labour that have got people worked up because their leader believes that a male can become a woman and can have accord going women’s spaces

The Tories have taken note of this …

*can have access to woman’s spaces

None of them.
They're all moral-free, intellectually challenged bastards.

Read some of the comments about Johnson on the feminist section. It's like he's the new messiah,
their appalling record as a government forgotten. Just wait for the moaning when their economic policies come home to roost and they are voted in another 5 years. I can only guess that most of them are well off, fully aware that they will not be affected. I actually agree with Johnson, not a cat in hells chance I'd vote for him however.

Why have Labour never had a female leader?

Why is Scotlands female leader allowing male people into female spaces?

@Wishihadanalgorithm

I want a new political party. One which speaks of and for common sense. A new party which speaks up for the rights of the ordinary person in the street and pushes for a fairer society.

Could any such party exist?

This is exactly what I think, but sadly I don't think it exists.

I just want somebody to recognise ordinary working people and give us a voice (didn't they USED to be called Labour?).

I can’t get too worked up about women only spaces. As long as there is a door on a changing room or loo, what does it matter? We don’t have women only beaches, bars etc. Out of interest, would a woman who had transitioned to become a man be welcome in these spaces? The only exception I think may be sports where extra height and muscle mass gives an advantage-eg swimming.

@Subbaxeo you'd happily share a hospital room or prison cell with a trans-woman.

What about the teenage kids should they be happy to share a dorm with a trans-boy?

Just think how the Jimmy Savilles of this world would use trans to access women and girls.

I can’t get too worked up about women only spaces. As long as there is a door on a changing room or loo,

[[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10625997/Hospital-said-rape-single-sex-ward-not-possible-revealing-one-patient-trans.html

Hospital told police a woman who complained she was raped that only other women were present on the single-sex ward - before admitting after a YEAR that one was trans]]

Ther's a whole thread of thing that will never happen:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread?pg=1

Women refuges, women prisions, crime stats, hospital wards - none of thats important sport might be cause the pics look bad.

Labour. They haven't got it quite right yet on the self ID stuff but I think they will be stronger on it if elected.
The conservatives however haven't got it right on:
The NHS, social care, taxing the rich, taxing the poor, most of covid, cost of living crisis, the environment, being honest, international diplomacy on any level, Brexit, getting refugees into the country from
Anywhere quickly (most recently Ukraine but also see Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria) immigration in general, being honest, selling channel 4 for no discernible reason, and having just for three examples, self serving incompetents like Liz Truss/Nadine Dorries/Boris Johnson in any kind of position of power or influence. And probably a few other things to be fair...

How anyone who isn't incredibly wealthy and as such immune from the shit show they are operating can consider voting for them is totally beyond me.

Several pages on and there is still no answer from a labour voter about why they think they've never had a female leader.

Do you somehow think that there are no women in the party who are capable of leadership? Or do they feel their core voter base is made up of misogynist men and it will alienate them?

Because if Yvette Cooper ran against Boris tomorrow I'd vote for her hands-down.