If there was a general election tomorrow and you were an ordinary woman on an average wage..

[Kreuzberg]

Who would you really vote for ? A party wishy washy on self ID and other trans issues with a gobby brash deputy leader who puts her foot in it and a lacking in charisma but well meaning leader or a party that implemented austerity, savage cuts to all public services, oversaw the deaths of 150,000, deceitful, pork barrel politics, corrupt, but with a teflon coated populist leader, plummy voiced slick mps and a less wishy washy stance on self ID (although not necessarily to be trusted)
What is most important to women earning £30,000 who are going to be hugely affected by the spiralling cost of living, struggling to heat their homes, feed their kids ? Issues very much the result of conservative policies like brexit, austerity etc or trans issues ?
I'm not pro self ID but not cat in hells chance I'd ever vote tory either. Their past record is not erased just because they say they know what a woman is. I'm addressing this to average earners too as they are on the front line.

Labour - I agree on the self ID issue and the attempts to handle this whole debate by Labour has been shocking

Having said that, we are in the worst position we've been in economically for a number of years. Wages are not going far enough and we have increases in energy, council tax, food and water and a Chancellor that thinks a £150 rebate is enough ...

I cannot bear Labour's stance on women - a man can be a woman, but I still will vote Labour I think. Conservatives are absolute cunts, and I also think the backlash now against the Trans agenda is big enough and strong enough to win this particular war.

[quote Kreuzberg]@CatDogMonkeyPOW absolutely. How you can be remotely left wing but vote tory on the basis of one policy is unbelievable. Believe in a degree of state ownership of public services but also think rampant free market ideology is a good thing, again bollocks.
I actually think labour are doing a bit of a U turn on self ID. See wes streetings remarks. If johnson can be trusted so should labour...[/quote]
You sound like you know who you will vote for op?

I want to vote labour, I have done so for most of my life, but if the only reason they can give me to vote for them is to tell me I'm a horrible person if I don't then no thank you.

As do I. But this thread shows what you believe to be true

@LangClegsInSpace do you live in the red wall ? I do. What won them them the last GE was brexit and forriners. Nowt to do with labour regarding them as being thick. Tories have done that for years already

@Dinosauria you are aware that all the trans issues going on are happening under a tory administration ?

in treating utilities rise in Europe

I'd vote Labour. Unimpressed with them lately but the tories are basically killing people.

We'll have people starving or freezing to death next winter if things carry on the way they are.

@Marshabradyo I work in the NHS, saw the shambles of covid, live in red wall constituency, experienced at firsthand no levelling up. All lies. Why trust them on anything.

Labour though I desperately wish they were better than they are. I couldn't vote Tory - I genuinely believe this current lot are a bunch of gangsters who have stolen then sold much of our country for their own personal gain. The stench of corruption on them and the sheer cold hearted approach to ordinary people is more than I can stand.

They are thieves.

Not voting Labour doesn't mean voting Tory. I'm probably not your target responder as I earn a lot more than £30k. I don't know who I will vote for at the moment. This particular set of Tories are shameless, venal, lying monstrosities who have done incredible harm. But I also truly believe self ID and the threat to women to be THE issue of my lifetime. And the Lib Dems and Greens are worse on it than Labour. So it's going to be a bloody difficult decision.

www.reuters.com/business/energy/europes-efforts-shield-households-soaring-energy-costs-2022-02-03/
This seems to be the only way to do this. Apologies.

@Dinosauria cuts to policing and justice system, privatisation of probation service, they haven't threatened women's safety ? Preventing landlords providing safe accommodation, cuts to maternity services, etc etc...

I have only come across the trans /woman issues on mumsnet. I don't know anyone in real life who would take this into account when voting. And I hit the demographic in the op.

So worsening conditions for the millions of poor, vulnerable, disabled, elderly, young versus trans issues which funnily enough are already happening ?

I'm that average woman and I refuse to vote Labour until they guarantee to recognise biological sex and the need for EA2010 and single sex provisions to be upheld.

Living in a Tory/Labour swing seat this makes me uncomfortable because a vote for anyone other than Labour is effectively a vote for the Conservatives...but I still can't do it.

I'm currently researching the party most likely to topple Labour's hold of my local council, if it's anyone but Conservatives I'll vote for them because Labour need a sharp shock to realise that even with a teflon crook in number 10 they still aren't credible opposition and cannot be trusted.

Labour can't fix the rising cost of living, but they can destroy any hope of women being a recognised biological demographic that needs and deserves single sex based protections.

Refuge we’re given 19 million funding this year, they need 393 million. One in five refuges have no government funding. They’re really bothered about women aren’t they?

Neither. I'd spoil my ballot again

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow exactly. All for womens' rights but happy to call another woman trash. Nice...

[quote Kreuzberg]@Marshabradyo I work in the NHS, saw the shambles of covid, live in red wall constituency, experienced at firsthand no levelling up. All lies. Why trust them on anything.[/quote]
It’s totally up to you but I did think your op was due to being unsure. Fine if you’ve made up your mind.

Re the issues people find important I wouldn’t use the term trans issues, but women’s rights as it’s about women first for me.

I don't get to vote but I live in probably the strongest Tory seat area in the whole UK so I'd vote whoever stood the best chance to get him out. The lib dem candidate is very good here.

even with a teflon crook in number 10 they still aren't credible opposition and cannot be trusted

^ this

Yeah neither. The golf club or stick analogy pretty much sums it up. An independent if running if not what exactly is the point in voting right now as a woman?

But of course this thread is, as is usual with these threads, just an opportunity for the OP to try and berate and emotionally blackmail people into voting Labour- because that tactic has worked so well thus far. Yaaaawwwwn

@Gilead

Malnutrition deaths in the U.K. were 352 in 2019 some being primary cause and a larger percentage being contributart. 8,500 people died due to ‘cold homes in 2020. Obviously not including homeless deaths.

I've heard of people dying of cold. I'd not heard about people dying of malnutrition. Aren't those that died of malnutrition as a primary cause due to eating disorders etc. Rather than they wanted food but didn't have any? Because the death number you quote were in nhs hospitals.