If there was a general election tomorrow and you were an ordinary woman on an average wage..

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Who would you really vote for ? A party wishy washy on self ID and other trans issues with a gobby brash deputy leader who puts her foot in it and a lacking in charisma but well meaning leader or a party that implemented austerity, savage cuts to all public services, oversaw the deaths of 150,000, deceitful, pork barrel politics, corrupt, but with a teflon coated populist leader, plummy voiced slick mps and a less wishy washy stance on self ID (although not necessarily to be trusted)
What is most important to women earning £30,000 who are going to be hugely affected by the spiralling cost of living, struggling to heat their homes, feed their kids ? Issues very much the result of conservative policies like brexit, austerity etc or trans issues ?
I'm not pro self ID but not cat in hells chance I'd ever vote tory either. Their past record is not erased just because they say they know what a woman is. I'm addressing this to average earners too as they are on the front line.

I'd vote Labour. If the Torys continue in power the poorer and most vulnerable will suffer even more, and women are much more likely to be in that group.

If Labour did get in and go full on TWAW and eliminate safe spaces I genuinely think people will sit up and realise it's not acceptable and they'd have to do a u-turn.

Sadly as it is, I think Torys are going to be in forever because of people who used to vote labour spoiling their vote because of the self ID issue, and trans allys not voting for them either because Starmer said TW shouldn't compete in women's sport so they think labour is transphobic.

@ZaraSizeMedium

Would you rather eat a dog-shit sandwich or a cat-shit sandwich?

Neither.

I live in a Labour stronghold, I'll be spoiling my ballot with stickers.

At least your gesture isn't likely to facilitate the Conservative party being reelected. That won't apply to all the vote spoilers.

I amn't sure that labour have the balls to actually sort the problem

Huge wealth redistribution
Huge investment in green self sufficiency
Whilst keeping the people who fund them and their rich buddies happy

There wasn't much to distinguish labour from Tory the last time they were in

@LaQuern

Labour every single time. I'm sorry but there's bigger issues at stake than self ID.

This current government are a shower who only care about themselves and the wealthy, and they need to go.

I'm not sure there is. Whatever happens bills will rise, progression will be limited.

With self ID we are sacrificing women's saftey for feelz, a vote for Labour is a vote to subordinate 50% of the population.

Another poster asked for the ballpark number of women we are willing to sacrifice, and not just sacrifice their sporting place that they have dedicated their lives too, but sacrifice their saftey.

So you will forgive me if I feel that there are few issues which are bigger than the physical safety of women. I can not vote for a party that would incarcerate a woman with a man, that would advocate a man for leading a rape centre or womans hostel. I realise my privilege of not needing these facilities, frankly I am appalled at any women that who is willing to give away these rights.

@AhNowTed

I'm prepared to forgive some ambiguity over what is a minefield even in my own home, over the lying corrupt excuse for a government that literally blows billions, gives tax breaks to banks in the worst hike in living costs in my lifetime.

If it was just ambiguous dithering I could hold my nose. But if labour got in they would change the law - they would push through self-ID, and we'd be stuck with that law long after the lifetime of their government. Possibly long after our own lifetimes have ended. Once something is made law it's incredibly difficult to get rid of.

So 5 years down the road the tories could be back in again, with all their horrors, but we'd also be stuck with self ID. Worst of both worlds.

My vote is no longer for anyone. We are bereft politically in this country.

However I will absolutely use my vote against a party that have so deeply offended my morals for the past three years and were the architects of a pretty shoddy state of affairs prior to that.

This particular cabinet have normalised breaking of rules and codes that previously held in place a veneer of an institution of working for the benefit of the people and replaced it with brazenly flipping us all the bird and staring us down until we stop making their lives difficult by talking about it.

For some it's a question my Dad used to ask. If you were up to your chin in shit, and someone threw a brick at your head, would you duck?

For me, it's easy I look at a raft of issues, not just one. And decide which fact looks fairest. So, it's Labour for me.

If I feel strongly about one single issue, I'd join a pressure group.

Whoever will get the Tories out. Though where we live you could stick a blue rosette on the headband of one of the beach donkeys and it would get elected.

And people who believe that nonsensical rhetoric coming out of Tory gobs about how much they value women blahblahblah? Unless you're wealthy or married into wealth, you just need to look at the effects of their actual policies outside the leafy bubbles of some parts of London and the shires to see whay they really think.

Definitely not Labour

I’d vote greens. Labour is too weak and I would honestly die before voting Tory

*what. FGS.

If we can't have an edit button what about a spellchecker?!

I'll be voting SNP thanks to the outstanding work of my local MP. He's a breath of fresh air after the useless Labour trougher who let down this constituency for years, and I hope he continues to stand for as long as he wants.

In terms of the next administration, hopefully England sees sense and elects Labour, if for no other reason than to get rid of this criminal cartel masquerading as a Tory government. Pissing myself laughing at the people still trying to claim that Corbin would have somehow been worse than Johnson and his thieving bunch of cronies and their utter lack of integrity. How many times now is it that he has demonstrably, knowingly lied in the House? Yet here we are...

If it was just ambiguous dithering I could hold my nose. But if labour got in they would change the law - they would push through self-ID, and we'd be stuck with that law long after the lifetime of their government. Possibly long after our own lifetimes have ended. Once something is made law it's incredibly difficult to get rid of.

This is well said and reflects my concerns and Dino pp

I voted for the Monster Raving Loony party last time round and would do so again if they had someone in the next election

I am that woman and I’d vote labour, just as many woman as men will be freezing and hungry under the conservatives however they are defined.

I'd vote Tory as can't trust labour due to stance on women and trans rights.

@CatDogMonkeyPOW

I genuinely believe that a significant portion of the posters on Mumsnet who claim that they could never vote labour because of the trans issue are either posting in bad faith (Привет) or would never vote labour anyway because they are die hard Tories.

A small minority maybe, but I find it hard to believe that the kind of people who would normally vote for labour would now vote for the corrupt and incompetent shitshow we have now just because Kier Starmer wouldn't be drawn on the issue of what is a woman.

A vote for the Tories is a vote for an massive increase in child poverty, which in turn is a vote for a massive increase in child mortality. The figures speak for themselves. Anyone who thinks that the trans issue is more important than children dying from poverty needs their head examined.

I genuinely believe you don't know what you're talking about.

Do an advance search for 'spoil ballot' in the feminist topic. You'll find loads of long threads, full of posters who have been here years, who could never, ever bring themselves to vote tory, but who also cannot bring themselves to vote labour because of women's issues.

I'd vote tactically for the Conservatives as it is the only option in our area to get rid of the reigning SNP. There is not a single political party that actually offers me representation. Ideally what I would like is a hung parliament.

@Gilead
We have more people die due to (...) malnutrition per annum...

I've not heard of this so I'm curious. How many people die of malnutrition that is not an underlying condition or symptom of another illness? My grandmother had dementia and refused to eat and died malnourished. Would she count in those figures?
Mind you, my friends mother became malnourished in an nhs hospital because the nurses never checked what she was eating and they put her water out of reach and didnt check what she was drinking. My friend discovered it before they could kill her, though. So she's not in those figures.

Tory. Have to send a message to Labour this time!

I’m a floating voter but I’d vote Labour because of the child/elder poverty issue. The increase in energy and wheat prices will be frustrating for me…but for poor people it will be catastrophic.

A vote for any party other than Labour is a vote for the Tories.

Labour.

"Labour: dislikes women."

What a load of nonsense.

This shower couldn't give two fucks about women.

Too busy gifting 8.7BN in dodgy PPE contract to their friends and family, and writing off 4.5BN in covid fraud.

And taking money from rich Russians.

But sure, Keir Starmer is the problem 🙄

As far as I'm concerned people spoiling their ballots in constituencies where that facilitates a Conservative victory are as responsible for that victory as those who vote Conservative in the first place.