If there was a general election tomorrow and you were an ordinary woman on an average wage..

[Kreuzberg]

Who would you really vote for ? A party wishy washy on self ID and other trans issues with a gobby brash deputy leader who puts her foot in it and a lacking in charisma but well meaning leader or a party that implemented austerity, savage cuts to all public services, oversaw the deaths of 150,000, deceitful, pork barrel politics, corrupt, but with a teflon coated populist leader, plummy voiced slick mps and a less wishy washy stance on self ID (although not necessarily to be trusted)
What is most important to women earning £30,000 who are going to be hugely affected by the spiralling cost of living, struggling to heat their homes, feed their kids ? Issues very much the result of conservative policies like brexit, austerity etc or trans issues ?
I'm not pro self ID but not cat in hells chance I'd ever vote tory either. Their past record is not erased just because they say they know what a woman is. I'm addressing this to average earners too as they are on the front line.

@Babdoc

I will vote Conservative for two reasons. 1) I’m in a marginal Scottish constituency, and need to get rid of the vile SNP, to prevent them further mismanaging Scotland and threatening endlessly to break up the UK. 2) I am a gender critical feminist, and the Tories are the only party who are not throwing women’s rights under a bus. So in my case, it’s an easy decision. Pro UK, pro women.

Ditto

I'm pretty much a single issue voter and I will not be voting for a party that cannot define a woman.

That will also have the benefit of being an anti SNP vote. They need to go, they are destroying Scotland with their incompetence.

[quote Gilead]@scorpio32
I think you’ll find that the Lehman brothers bank was at the centre of the financial crash. Much as Tories like to tarnish Brown, he really wasn’t able to control American fiscal policies. I think PFIs were a mistake, but I also think if you look properly, Thatcher started the downfall of the NHS. An institution for whom she had little respect because she couldn’t find a profit in it, other than running it down in order to sell it off and make said profit. She managed it with transport and utilities though and look where that’s got us. How can you be so proud of a party that does this?[/quote]

Indeed.

The financial crisis was the result of the US sub-prime mortgage fiasco.

Which lead to Lehman's first and then a domino effect.

You know, I'm going to say it.

I'm so annoyed and frustrated at obvious Tory voters, who would vote Tory anyway, using this trope, as if they cared a jot for women's rights.

And attack me all you like, but after 12 years of this lying, charlatan, so called government, making absolute fools of us all, and robbing us blind to the benefit of their mates, how you could blithely say you'd vote for them because "you know, women" makes me sick to the stomach.

Fucking own the fact. You're a Tory. Stop hiding behind womens rights, because let's be honest you'd vote for them regardless anyway.

@Gilead

Certainly not Labour. Angela Rayner - deputy leader....ugh ! - is a deal breaker for me Pop your snobbery back under the sofa.

You can't call Tories 'scum' then expect former swing voters to switch sides to voting for you. They NEVER learn this and so will stay out of power.

@Rachelw84

Anyone voting for the Tories cannot care for the vulnerable children, the elderly or the disabled in this country

The Tories are literally killing people with their lack of protection and their culture wars - stunned people openly admit that they see the Tories as a better option than all the other parties

Makes me despair at the people who I live alongside

This immature approach is why you will never win.....you need swing voters who have previously not voted Labour.

Conservative

I would vote for the party led by Rosie Duffield, Joanna Cherry, The Baroness Nicholson and Emma Batemen.

I'm sick of governments run by the Pig-men.

@Flippy87

Conservative

I'm honestly interested in the reasons behind this.

Can you name a handful of benefits this 12 year old Tory government has delivered?

This is not a trap, I really want to know.

@LangClegsInSpace

A vote for any party other than Labour is a vote for the Tories

and ...

As far as I'm concerned people spoiling their ballots in constituencies where that facilitates a Conservative victory are as responsible for that victory as those who vote Conservative in the first place.

This is the kind of stuff that lost labour the red wall. People will not be scolded into voting labour.

Agreed. Don't guilt trip with supposed morals about poor children whilst removing the gate keeping to childrens safety by attacking women. Labour have shown their contempt for the women in this country. Women say no.

@AhNowTed

You know, I'm going to say it.

I'm so annoyed and frustrated at obvious Tory voters, who would vote Tory anyway, using this trope, as if they cared a jot for women's rights.

And attack me all you like, but after 12 years of this lying, charlatan, so called government, making absolute fools of us all, and robbing us blind to the benefit of their mates, how you could blithely say you'd vote for them because "you know, women" makes me sick to the stomach.

Fucking own the fact. You're a Tory. Stop hiding behind womens rights, because let's be honest you'd vote for them regardless anyway.

Totally agree. It is so often the 'anti trans lobby' Crypto feminist (facist maybe?) lovers who bang on about never labour. Ignoring the poor for their insatiable hunger for whatever the fuck they are banging on about.....never mind the poor huh? We can feed them on the hate

Your ignorance of poverty is showing ...hard

@AhNowTed

You know, I'm going to say it.

I'm so annoyed and frustrated at obvious Tory voters, who would vote Tory anyway, using this trope, as if they cared a jot for women's rights.

And attack me all you like, but after 12 years of this lying, charlatan, so called government, making absolute fools of us all, and robbing us blind to the benefit of their mates, how you could blithely say you'd vote for them because "you know, women" makes me sick to the stomach.

Fucking own the fact. You're a Tory. Stop hiding behind womens rights, because let's be honest you'd vote for them regardless anyway.

I can understand why, you might think this but I'm afraid you are wrong. Some of the first women who were alerted to the issues around this were the ones in guess what? Safeguarding jobs. And why would that be? Because these are the women who are trained to lookout for loopholes that allowed predatory people - the majority of which are male, to exploit in order to gain access to vulnerable members of society, especially children.

A sizeable number of these women are labour voters.

It's very odd that you wouldn't realise this.

It's also interesting that as soon as women who vote Labour but no longer feel they can, because of safeguarding issues, are then called liars and fascists.

Says a lot about your mentality doesn't it?

I am sorry but do you speak for all women? Displaced women, poor non white women? Or just you?

@LittleWhingingWoman

It's also interesting that as soon as women who vote Labour but no longer feel they can, because of safeguarding issues, are then called liars and fascists.

Says a lot about your mentality doesn't it?

Please quote your numbers that are not middle class and within your echo chamber

Are you going to start screaming "Nazi Hitlet Terfs!" next?

@Namechangedforgoodreason

I am sorry but do you speak for all women? Displaced women, poor non white women? Or just you?

Sweetheart, I am a poor non white woman. How about you?

Never Labour, I would rather spoil my paper than chance that odious woman getting anywhere near government.

@Namechangedforgoodreason

I am sorry but do you speak for all women? Displaced women, poor non white women? Or just you?

And do you speak about all women? Why you deny that there are women who don't want to vote Labour or then insist they are Tory anyway? Who are you speaking for?

@LittleWhingingWoman

Are you going to start screaming "Nazi Hitlet Terfs!" next?

I do not need to. Again please give evidence outside of the people that you follow that all 'women' especially those who are displaced and non white who feel as you do. A peer reviewed UK paper would be good. I am sure you know opinons are like arseholes. We all have one

You can claim anything. This forum is anonymous.

Labour, issues like fuel & food poverty, the economy, NHS/care crisis & the housing crisis are the most urgent that need to be addressed. Things like women's issues can be addressed once these things have been sorted because some parts of the women's issues are directly connected to things like poverty, the economy, NHS/care crisis & housing crisis.

At what point did I say all women? I said a sizeable number of women. Did you not understand?

@Namechangedforgoodreason

You can claim anything. This forum is anonymous.

Which is interesting isn't it, because you sound just like a mens rights activist.