Ukraine Invasion Part 18

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Place for information, discussion, points of view, useful links and above all, a hope that this sovereign land can regain its freedom.

Tim White @TWMCltd
The #UK has refused to agree to #Russia's request for a meeting of the UN Security Council.

The Kremlin was desperate to get its defence and "fake news" claims in first, before the inevitable backlash for the countless war crimes.

@KonTikki

I support the idea of Merkel and Sarkozy being given a guided tour of areas evacuated by the Russian military, to see where their courting of Putin has led. Abit like German civilians being "escorted" round the Camps at the end of WW2.

As neither is now in power, what do you think this would achieve? Plus Merkel's predecessor Schröder has a much murkier relationship with Russia, still ongoing.

Frankly, as unpalatable as it may be, Putin has played a blinder getting Russian tentacles into so many of the world's economies in some way.

@Alexandra2001
@WeAreTheHeroes

Well said, I’m not sure why it’s just those two politicians should be singled out for special mention.

Neither is still a politician now. Zelenskyy has accused both of blocking Ukraine's NATO membership, but that doesn't mean they are responsible for the current war. I actually think this is another clever message from the Ukrainian president: the lead up to the invasion was long in the planning. Western leaders have been either unwittingly used by Russia or have turned a blind eye to their misgivings due to the vast sums of money/need for Russian oil and gas involved. The responsibility is collective, but let's not forget: the perpetrator is Russia and Russia alone.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1510910740261134338.html

This article was released yesterday.

@TiddyTidTwo

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1510910740261134338.html

This article was released yesterday.

That is absolutely horrifying.

www.euronews.com/2022/04/04/panic-buying-or-a-long-term-problem-russia-suffers-drug-shortages-amid-sanctions-over-ukra?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1649065657
Panic buying or a long-term problem? Russia suffers drug shortages amid sanctions over Ukraine war

First came the warnings, in messages among friends and families and on social media, to stock up on vital drugs in Russia before supplies were affected by crippling Western sanctions over the invasion of Ukraine.

Then, some drugs indeed became harder to find at pharmacies in Moscow and other cities.

“Not a single pharmacy in the city has it now,” a resident of Kazan told The Associated Press in late March about a blood thinner her father needs.

Experts and health authorities in Russia say the drug shortages are temporary — due to panic buying and logistical difficulties for suppliers from the sanctions — but some remain worried that high-quality medicines will keep disappearing in the Russian market.

“Most likely there will be shortages. How catastrophic it will be, I don't know,” said Dr Alexey Erlikh, head of the cardiac intensive care unit in Moscow Hospital No. 29, and a professor at the Moscow-based Pirogov Medical University.

And

Vrachi.Rf, one of Russia’s biggest online communities for medical workers, surveyed more than 3,000 doctors in mid-March, and they said they had run into shortages of more than 80 medications: anti-inflammatory, gastrointestinal, antiepileptic and anticonvulsant drugs, as well as antidepressants and antipsychotics.

About a dozen people contacted by the AP in different cities in late March said they had spent days searching for certain thyroid medications, types of insulin or even a popular pain-relieving syrup for children. Some said they were unable to find them at all.

It is and directly matches the atrocities we are seeing.

We need to act fast to stop this, whether that be arming Ukraine to the teeth, switching off the gas, sanctioning everything possible.

I know it will affect our lives but we cannot let this continue any longer.

Personally, I think it's time to call Putins bluff.

I was just reading that Tiddy, article has been published on one of Russia's mainstream websites

An op-ed for state news agency RIA Novosti titled "What Russia should do with Ukraine" by pundit Timofei Sergeitsev
In it, the outlet supports ethnic cleansing, says Ukraine must be de-Ukrainianized & “re-educated” as people are guilty of being Ukrainian

If the special military operation is going to plan, I am initially trying to comprehend why RIA Novosti would publish an article like that.

It would be too simplistic to believe this is "what they stand for".

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/04/izyum-ukraine-shelling-russian-soldiers?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1649068972
No safe way out of Izyum: ‘I can’t imagine how it will end’
A resident tells his son of constant shelling, bodies piling up and Russian soldiers on the hunt

His house is now surrounded by trenches and destroyed houses and his new neighbours are Russian soldiers. They have prepared a list of individuals to “hunt”, people who may own a gun, are rich or “dangerous”, including businessmen, activists, military and their families. My father observed one hunt for a local businessman, who had already escaped when the raiding party arrived

And

There is nowhere to bury those who are found. “Some corpses are buried in the central park or near to the people’s houses and in gardens. The situation is like what it was in 1942. The morgue doesn’t work. Bodies were taken there at first but now it is too full,” Matsokin said.

There are Russian bodies too, abandoned by their comrades in arms. “I have seen three armed vehicles full of corpses. There were bodies even lying on the roofs,” my father said.

And

At least 5,000 people need to be evacuated from the city but there is no safe way to escape any more. All of the bridges have been blown up, and the only crossing left is a partly destroyed footbridge.

@TiddyTidTwo

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1510910740261134338.html

This article was released yesterday.

We know that this level of hatred is what we’re dealing with but to see if in black and white white as starkly as this is still a shock. Absolute cunts - and that’s a word I absolutely loathe but can’t think of another that is strong enough.

I hope very much that that article is not laying the groundwork for a literal scorched earth policy within Russian areas or a literal slaughter of every single living person.

It's the same as Nazi propaganda: designed to dehumanise and 'other' Ukrainians in the eyes of ordinary Russian people. It makes out that Ukrainians are the enemy.

It seeks to justify the unjustifiable. It is absolutely horrific.

Seems to me the article is just that. This is what we are doing, this is why and more importantly, they're not going to stop.

Regarding giving away radio secrets. With Russian HQ having eventually sussed the deception, I think talking about it openly may give the Ukrainians another bite at the cherry.

Learning of the deception might make Russian soldiers doubt all messages they receive, which will cause another round of chaos.

There would be poetic justice if this occurred, because as we discussed above, creating a constant state of doubt about information has been Putin's playbook for years.

@TiddyTidTwo 11:31 Thank you for that link
to the thread by Sumleny you posted. From that:

“THREAD: Russian state-owned propaganda outlet RIA published the new programmatic article with the title "What Russia must do with Ukraine". The article reveals a detailed plan for a genocide, starting from full elimination of Ukrainian state. Details below.“
….. then his commentary continues between excerpts.

That thread gives a link to the full Russian article/plan which you can read using ‘translate’.

After reading that linked Russian article, I carried on scrolling and came to lots of Russian pro-Trump ideology ready for the next election.

This from the Daily Mail on Sunday:

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10679743/PETER-HITCHENS-USA-wants-war-drive-Russia-Stone-Age.html

"This is not a war between Ukraine and Russia. It is a war between the USA and Russia, in which both sides are cynically using Ukraine as a battering ram.

The people of Ukraine will gain nothing and lose much from being treated in this way. They fight and die or lose their homes and flee. We pour in more weapons and shout encouragement from a safe distance. Russia wrecks the joint.

What Ukraine actually needs is action to cure its festering, universal corruption. It would also benefit from the pushing to the margins of the ultra-nationalist fanatics who have far too much influence in its government and armed forces. The war will make these problems worse, not better."

K: The last paragraph reads like Russian propaganda and justification for Russia's invasion. Nice counterpoint that it came out on the day when details of Bucha etc. came to light.

BREAKING @SkyNewsBreak U.S. Envoy to the UN says the U.S. will seek Russia's
suspension from the UN Human Rights Council

The timing of that article is odd

RIA: We must kill the Ukrainians.
RIA: We didn't killed the Ukrainians in #Bucha (and several other places)

Excuse my ignorance, but won't banning Russia from the human rights council just enable atrocities because they won't feel beholden to it anymore (not that they seem to anyway!)

Russian state tv is now openly calling for genocide - eliminating Ukrainians

The Russians are denying the war crimes whilst simultaneously calling for more.

The Russians are caught in the trap of calling this a special operation not a war. If they call it a war they admit failure of the special operation. They can not put the full state behind the war without calling it a war, and this might lead to them losing the war than Putin can not afford to lose.

So they have to start saying that the mission was successful but the problem was worse than we feared and we must extend it. Potentially to a war.

In order to do that they have to suggest that the Ukrainians deserve it and are monsters. Even though its their own who are responsible.

Its doublethink to move the goalposts to fit their narrative. But thats possibly the way it will go.

The alternative is claim some sort of victory before the 9 May. But they have to actually achieve that and its 2 to 3 weeks before they will back up to speed. Thats going to give them only about 2 weeks after that. Thats not realistic.

So they are going to have to turn it from a special operation (which was successful) into a war which is necessary and morally justifible whilst also denying their war crimes and calling for more.

Thats why its all going to be utterly fucked in the head propaganda and excuses from Russia.

See what their options are, their goals are and then think about how they can whip the public up to support it and its logical. Reprehensible. But logical. To cover their own fuck ups, lies and crimes.

Timing the narrative for Russian citizens. Justifying the genocide which is now becoming more and more apparent. And preparing for what's to come, I suspect

The RIA article is horrifying. The language is reminiscent of Pravda finest over the years.

Ukraine needs to atone, and this is how we will make them do it.

Scary.