Ukraine Invasion: Part 17

[MagicFox]

A new place for us to convene, thread 17.

Morning, thanks for the new thread & everyone who contributes. I'm much more of a lurker so.appreciate everyone taking the time to contribute

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Ditto, many thanks for all your extremely informative postings.

Thanks for new thread!

Fabulous post RTB.
Some extremely interesting and thought provoking points made.
And written at 3am, I needed a strong coffee at 8am to fully appreciate it !

Thanks, place marking

Thanks for the new thread

Interesting that Blinken and now Liz truss have spoken about sanctions being lifted if Russia withdraw. I do feel like there has been a shift over the last couple of days hopefully towards de escalation.

When talking about Ukrainien casualties I did wander how they would distinguis between civilians and people that have taken up arms to protect their country.

Certainly food for thought on the on the ground consequences of sanctions in Russia.

The mayor of Lviv gave a press conference after yesterday's attack on the oil storage depot there. To paraphrase he said the Russians did it because they could and due to the proximity of Lviv to Poland.

Thank you for the new thread

Thank you for the new thread. Also a lurker but been reading with interest this morning.
I think that this is becoming a saving face exercise for Putin now. I'm not worried about nukes anymore, I'm more worried about how long this will drag on and how many more people will die.

Zelensky this morning 'He said Ukraine needed just 1% of Nato's tanks and aircraft.
"We did not ask for more. And we do not ask for more. And we have already been waiting for 31 days!"'

Again with the planes, I know he is desperate but he seems ok with dragging us all into war!

I also find it interesting that it has started again after Biden's visit to Poland. Wonder if it was talked about there

Checking in! I've lost track a bit the last few days but thanks to all of the regular posters.

@elephantmarchingin - it's a negotiation. You ask for more than you think you'll get.

Thanks @MagicFox in Continuity :)

And to everyone finding all the insightful stuff, very grateful for all the dots you're joining

Thank you for the new thread.

Thanks Magic

Thanks for the new thread.

Thanks for the new thread

Thanks for the new thread and for everyone's contribution. It has been refreshing to read informed, substantiated posts and posts where people have felt able to be honest about their thoughts and feelings. There's been debate and scrutiny on a deeply emotive topic but respect has for the most part been maintained. And finally, for me, it has been my go to these past weeks and has helped me better understand this unfolding tragedy and to keep calm. So thanks to everyone 🙏

Thank you for the thread these have been keeping me grounded.

I’ve noticed how in some national newspapers the headlines are being shifted down the page. I’m looking at you daily mail

For a bit of humour in an otherwise (rightly) serious thread, I give you this thread.....

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1507672379979354118?s=24&t=AEFnx4s49QD-GEpOcBW0VQ

Place marking. Really interesting posts overnight .

PMK. Haven't been on much (work) but appreciate the updates and insight.