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Can't cope with DS being transgender

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YellowBrickWall · 25/03/2022 12:57

This is so hard. I feel like I'm in a very weird place. I am absolutely gutted and just want it to not be happening. He is 23 and lives with us. I thought we had escaped this trend but he's got caught up in it. I don't know what to do.

It's hard to describe but I simply cannot go along with it. It's not true, he's not a woman, he never will be. I hate the gaslighting, it's so distressing. This is upsetting me so much but I don't know what to do.

He's an adult and can do what he wants but unfortunately this particular thing requires my involvement and I can't. I am totally against it. There seems to be no middle ground, I either go against everything I know and believe or I won't be involved in his life. It feels like blackmail. It feels shit. I hate it.

OP posts:
YellowBrickWall · 06/10/2022 02:20

Sorry for spamming the thread. I have been taking some time to read the posts and think about the different viewpoints and there are some that I'd like to respond to but I won't @ anyone.

Why cant people just do what they want. You've lost your child all because of your own actions.

I have never said that he can't do what he wants. It's not my actions, I haven't done anything. Maybe my lack of action in doing what he wants, I agree but none of this has come from me.

From the second they are born our children have the right to live their own lives. Some people have more trouble understanding that concept than others.

I agree that he has the right to live his own life, as do I. I have no trouble understanding that concept but perhaps he does. I've raised my children to be independent, to know how to look after themselves and to respect others. He is a lovely young man and mature in many ways but also somewhat naive because of his age and lack of life experiences.

I'm really surprised that you would feel strongly enough about this that you would sacrifice your relationship with him over it. To be perfectly honest, I can't help but feel that you've also been a bit brainwashed by the GC movement.

I am not sacrificing our relationship. None of this is my wish or my instigation. The views I have are the ones I have always had. Nothing has changed there for me. I always knew there are two sexes and that humans can't change sex. There is nothing new in the GC movement.

You gain nothing by continuing to refuse to alter your language to make your son feel supported, and you lose a lot. You won't change his mind about who he is. You won't change anyone's mind.

I am not trying to change his mind. I don't want to change him, although he is trying to change my mind. I just can't join in with the fantasy. My earlier posts on this thread explain a bit more. There is a lot to lose from 'going along' with a fiction that erases the class of woman as a sex. It's huge actually.

But I can't do it. I look at him and I don't see a woman, I see a man. I know I gave birth to a son. I can't tell people that I have two daughters because I don't, I have a daughter and a son. I can't live a lie, it's too distressing. It's gaslighting, it's enforced speech and it's blackmail. It doesn't feel like love and it doesn't feel right. Even though he is my own son, he is an adult and it's time for him to understand that his parents are people too, not just disposable supporters.

Many years from now, on your deathbed, would you rather have both of your children by your side, or would you prefer to be able to say to your daughter 'well its a shame that Simon isn't here but at least I kept to my principles and refused to call him Simone'?

Simon knows I love him. We have had so much fun over the years as a family. I taught him to tie his shoelaces, tell the time, ride a bike and, when he was older how to cook and wash his clothes, to mow the lawn, light the fire and even taught him to drive. We've been camping, beach days, picnics, board games, birthday parties, theme parks, snowball fights, endless photos of a life growing up, snapshots of all the myriad of things you do with and for your children.

When he left, I plastered a smile on my face, gave him a big hug and said 'Go out there and have fun, enjoy yourself, you know where we are and let us know if you need anything'. I let him go because that's what you do with your kids when they're grown. You let them out into the world and hope that you did enough that they can get by and be happy.

If Simon does not come to my deathbed, that's his decision and one that he will have to be happy with. As always, I will respect his decision because I don't ever want to put any guilt on anyone.

OP posts:
Iwannabelikeyouoohooh · 06/10/2022 02:51

I've read your thread and it made me feel so terribly sad. I agree with every thing you've written @YellowBrickWall

ChagSameachDoreen · 06/10/2022 06:18

"This generation of young people are opening up the world to new types of living, embracing their true selves"

By pretending to be the opposite sex?

Shoxfordian · 06/10/2022 06:28

It’s sad that you care more about your principles than your child’s happiness

ludocris · 06/10/2022 06:31

SantaCarlaCalifornia · 05/10/2022 22:55

Of course, she's angry. If you're not angry about gender ideology you haven't been paying attention.

You basically came on the thread to tell all the oldies to get with the times and join in with the TWAW mantras. You don't believe that any more than GC people do, you just lie and pretend to be kind.

All GC means is you can't change sex and sometimes a person's sex matters. That's it. What is brainwashed about that?

Have you ever thought young people have actually been brainwashed?

It's in primary schools, secondary schools and universities and pushed by people like you saying to just go along with it to keep the peace. Thinking it's kind to lie and ignore any downsides.

It's ridiculous.

You're assuming I believe/pretend to believe that TWAW. I don't. I don't actually sit firmly in one camp or the other on this matter, and have sympathy with perspectives on both sides. The point I was trying to make was that this is how both camps view each other.

Oblomov22 · 06/10/2022 06:49

Interesting thread. OP sounds level headed and informed.

I'd push the GP to make the ADHD referral now. I'm wouldn't be happy with GP suggesting that he deals with the depression first (which he has anyway). The ADHD referral will take ages. So insist GP does it now on nhs.

I'd also pay (if you can afford) to go privately for ADHD. Choose carefully a consultant who does both nhs and private at the local hospital his nhs referral will he going to. Then one you have the preliminary report privately, it will be give substance to demanding he's seen on nhs, may often be by the same doctor, or his nhs colleague who will respect the private report.

picklemewalnuts · 06/10/2022 06:51

shipwreckedonhighseas · 05/10/2022 22:49

I notice no one is suggesting that your son is risking his relationship with his mum over something as minor as a name and pronoun change.

As minor? Whether you agree with it or not, this is not a minor life change. You can be encourage the op to be facetious, 'right' and miserable...or see if there's a way she can actually know her son.

Well that's the point isn't it? She does know her son.
She has tried. He has decided it's not enough. It's all one way.

LondonWolf · 06/10/2022 07:04

We haven't fallen out, we haven't had a row, he hasn't been disowned or anything remotely like that. We're still looking after his cat for him. I even said that I would use their new names and pronouns for the day but he said that wasn't good enough and people would be offended by me just being there.

That sounds to me like he knows that he couldn't pretend properly while you were there. He can't lose himself in the pretence and the elaborate game with all his friends, when the person who won't submit to the pretence and play along is there, no matter how loving, kind and amenable you are. He has misrepresented you to them and if you turn up there being loving, kind and supportive it ruins the Poor Unaccepted Me narrative. I should think he knows it too and pushes those uncomfortable feelings down and away. I think you made every allowance you possibly could have but he just didn't want you there for his own reasons. I know it's hard but I was extremely hard and cold towards my own parents in my twenties and into my thirties. I just couldn't see them as actual people, people with traumatic histories of their own before becoming parents, who had been hurt and confused by some of my actions as a teenager/young adult. I couldn't see the good they, had done for me, how over the years no matter what, even when I wasn't speaking to them and hadn't been for ages and that had there been a crisis, I could have just picked up the phone for anything and they'd have moved heaven and earth to be there and help me.

I get it now. They are not perfect by any means but there's a lot of love in our family. I hope your son will get it too. In time. I hope he hasn't pushed himself so far into his narrative that he can't find a way back in the future.

Lavendersummer · 06/10/2022 07:08

Part of loving your children is being truthful with them. @YellowBrickWall it must be so hard. But you are being truthful and also loving. I applaud you for this. I hope in time your son is more at peace with himself.

PinkFizz1 · 06/10/2022 07:18

Shoxfordian · 06/10/2022 06:28

It’s sad that you care more about your principles than your child’s happiness

Agreed.

Oblomov22 · 06/10/2022 07:29

I completely disagree with @PinkFizz1. OP can't say she agrees with something/believes in God, if she doesn't. Plus the insinuation that she cares more about her principals than her sons happiness is insulting. She does care. That why she can't pretend to go along pretending that people can change sex. Because we all know they can't.
OP is protecting her son. He wants something he can't have. He wants to be female, but he can't, because he's male.

Oblomov22 · 06/10/2022 07:32

Why does he want to be female? What does he think being a woman means. I'd like to hear his answer, because I haven't seen a good answer yet from anyone trans, and most MP's haven't been able to word it.

Most of us here on MN are female, but we're all different. Being female isn't that great as far as I can work out! Wink

Shoxfordian · 06/10/2022 08:00

Would it change things op if your child had all the requisite surgery and hormones to fully transition?

midgetastic · 06/10/2022 08:08

There is no treatment that can cause you to change sex

There is just treatment that can cause many long term health problems that can cause yiu to appear physically more like the opposite sex

I guess the OP might not be too happy at her child taking potential harmful steps - what would you guess ?

Redqueenheart · 06/10/2022 08:17

I would wonder whether the fact that he has gone through a period of depression and uncertainty has added another layer of confusion in his life.

I would be a bit patient and hope that he will settle into not wanting to conform to gender stereotypes and navigating being gay (if that is his orientation) without going to the extreme of thinking he needs to transition.

Because from what I see choosing to be transgender is not an easy path so it is perfectly understandable that this is not what you want for your kid.

But be supportive and maintain a dialogue with them. Psychological support might be good for him too to help him make sense of everything.

Handsoffmyrights · 06/10/2022 08:25

OP, I would feel exactly the same as you if my kids did the same.

I'm with you on this one. I couldn't lie about how many fingers somebody was holding up. I just couldn't subscribe to magical thinking, especially given the damaging, regressive, sexist nature of gender ideology.

Good luck.

picklemewalnuts · 06/10/2022 08:26

Shoxfordian · 06/10/2022 08:00

Would it change things op if your child had all the requisite surgery and hormones to fully transition?

I'd be devastated if my child mutilated their own body in an irreversible way that would end their fertility and reduce their chances of sexual fulfilment. I'd be upset that they'd reduce their dating pool so dramatically.

It's hard for young people. No one doubts that. Why make it harder by going down this path?

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 06/10/2022 08:48

Shoxfordian · 06/10/2022 06:28

It’s sad that you care more about your principles than your child’s happiness

OP has a daughter too. As a woman, she would be impacted significantly by an ideology which pretends men are women. OP has a responsibility to both children and society as a whole. As do we all. Reducing it to just one person's happiness would be simplistic even if there were good evidence that getting others to play along with the fantasy that a person is the opposite sex.

Iwasnotmadeforthistypeoflife · 06/10/2022 08:50

Is there a link between mental health issues and trans?

I ask because a girl my son knew from nursery started dressing as a boy and changed her name as soon as she started secondary school.

At nursery she would be crying and screaming every morning as her mother dropped her off. In primary school she was unhappy at times, and did hit a teacher at one point. She seemed an attention seeker.......

midgetastic · 06/10/2022 08:52

I think being trans can be an "explanation " as to why you feel so bad when you are young and the relief from having a cause must be immense

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 06/10/2022 08:55

I have nothing useful to add to this debate. I just want to express my admiration and respect for the OP, and to hope with all my heart that her son is reconciled with his mother.

AgathaMystery · 06/10/2022 08:58

Like the above poster, I just wanted to show solidarity with OP. I think you seem a kind, thoughtful, intelligent woman and mother and I could no more be compelled into buying into this kink/phase than you are. I am so sorry this has happened.

I want to say thank you to you, for standing with women everywhere. It doesn’t go unnoticed. You’re very very brave.

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 06/10/2022 09:07

Innocenta · 29/03/2022 21:06

@Annette32123 Anorexia obviously has a belief component, but the more salient aspects are the behavioural ones. It doesn't ultimately matter much if people with a history of AN (or with ongoing subclinical issues) have somewhat dysregulated beliefs about body image, healthy eating, etc, as long as they maintain a healthy weight and don't use dangerous behaviours. It's extremely difficult to change the beliefs; much more so than modifying behaviour.

I may not be understanding but if you're drawing a distinction between belief and behaviour, should there be a similar with trans issues? So the hope would be to change the harmful behaviours such as medical procedures, invading women's spaces and not worry too much about the belief that the person has changed sex? I think it's hard to separate out the two but if it's achieved in anorexia care, it would be interesting to see if lessons can be learned to support TRAs to do less damage to themselves and others

LuckySantangelo35 · 06/10/2022 09:30

Member82 · 05/10/2022 16:56

What a horrible person you are to write something like this. And just one of many truly horrible women on this thread I might add. You know nothing of the queer experience - their feelings, thoughts, wants, and needs, but all claim to be experts on biology, psychology, and government medical statistics. Shame on you all. This generation of young people are opening up the world to new types of living, embracing their true selves and doing away with the shame that wrecked the lives of so many queer people for far too long. It is people like you who should be ashamed and will one day live to regret turning your backs on those who are different.

To the original poster. You brought a soul into this world. When you carried them in your belly, you might have prayed that they'd be safe and happy. I'm sure you never prayed that they would think and behave exactly as you do. You raised a soul who has decided to change their outward appearance to match how they feel on the inside. This is a beautiful thing and you can help make it so if you just ask yourself "Am I willing to lose the beautiful soul, for whom I carried and cared for so long, for no good reason? Because of what the neighbours might think?"

Every generation changes their thoughts on certain subjects. Do not die alone knowing that you were so rigid in your thinking that you lost a great love from your life.

Use their name and pronouns. Yes, you will make mistakes, but it will become natural to you. You have a beautiful child. Stop being so rigid.

@Member82

how do you know her child is beautiful and a good soul?
would a good Soul really treat their mother like this?
I think not

LondonWolf · 06/10/2022 09:37

midgetastic · 06/10/2022 08:52

I think being trans can be an "explanation " as to why you feel so bad when you are young and the relief from having a cause must be immense

Agree.

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