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Ukraine-invasion-part-16

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PestorPeston · 22/03/2022 23:46

Warsaw Russian is letting out a lot of smoke - there has been no decision on who among them will be the next pontiff.

Biden is going there Friday

Is Boris Johnson the designated survivor?

Who the heck let me be in charge?

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TiddyTidTwo · 24/03/2022 17:58

I went to see a client today. I'm a financial adviser but we are both of a certain generation... cough! GrinConfused

TiddyTidTwo · 24/03/2022 18:03

Sorry posted too soon.

What ARE we doing? We are letting this bully commit genocide and war crimes and from the talks today "isn't Putin a bad man, please stop it and withdraw"

I mean honestly?!? I am hawkish I'm afraid. I'm ex military so...

You have 72 hours to get out then the NFZ is implemented.

That despot doesn't give a shit about sanctions. But he's wallowing in deaths of innocent Ukrainians amd doesn't give a turd for those young Russian boys he sent out as cannon fodder.

I wish we'd just stop fucking about and do something.

TiddyTidTwo · 24/03/2022 18:08

And it's not just because Ukraine is in Europe. We fought in Afghanistan and British troops were there for years.

Now Biden withdrew girls can't go to school anymore.

This cannot happen in Ukraine. Ukraine must not fall under that despot. Because he will move into other Baltic states next.

elephantmarchingin · 24/03/2022 18:23

@TiddyTidTwo

Sorry posted too soon.

What ARE we doing? We are letting this bully commit genocide and war crimes and from the talks today "isn't Putin a bad man, please stop it and withdraw"

I mean honestly?!? I am hawkish I'm afraid. I'm ex military so...

You have 72 hours to get out then the NFZ is implemented.

That despot doesn't give a shit about sanctions. But he's wallowing in deaths of innocent Ukrainians amd doesn't give a turd for those young Russian boys he sent out as cannon fodder.

I wish we'd just stop fucking about and do something.

We are doing something. We've had this discussion multiple times!! We are sending billions of aid, we are opening to refugees etc.

Once again I ask how does it help to pull the rest of the world into a war. How does this help Ukraine?

RedToothBrush · 24/03/2022 18:25

He's a thread for Westminstenders regulars.

Pallets!!

Trent Telenko @trenttelenko
Alright folks, this is a logistical 🧵on pallets, cranes, ISO containers, and what we are NOT seeing on Russian Trucks in Ukraine

Below is really good background tweet 🧵on the importance of pallets as a logistical productivity tool, since we are not seeing them in Ukraine and we should be seeing a whole lot of them.
[rtb see the original thread if you want to get into this]

Instead, we are seeing the Russian Army use two man carry break bulk boxes of mortar & artillery ammunition.

Pallets are fundamental to the mechanized movement of goods in a modern economy or military.

See:
"According to an article in a 1931 railway trade magazine, three days were required to unload a boxcar containing 13,000 cases of unpalletized canned goods. When the same amount of goods was loaded into the boxcar on pallets or skids, the identical task took only four hours."

Point blank, the Russian Army trucks seem to be Soviet Union in the early 1930's in terms of pallet logistical efficiency.

Look at this Russian operational truck loss from @UAWeapons It is clear the Russians 'get' palletizing artillery rockets.

But what is missing in these photos?

Hint: mechanized logistical infrastructure has a "look" you don't see here.

There are no D-rings to tie down that huge rocket pallet.

That is why the TOS thermobaric rocket pallet shifted off that truck & destroyed the wooden truck bed in the process.

There is something else missing on this & every other Russian truck.

Where are the material handling cranes on Russian trucks?

Rocket launchers can pick up palletized rocket pods with their launcher (See US Army HIMARS example below) off the ground.

Not so much from a tall tactical truck bed.

The biggest peculiarity is there are no cranes in Ukraine, and I mean that literally.

I've yet to see a single KAMAZ, URAL or ZIL cargo truck with a built in material handling crane. The US Army has 10%-15% of its 5-ton trucks fitted with cranes to help move ammunition or other heavy objects.

The M1084 5-ton std & M1086 5-ton long wheelbase FMTV trucks have cranes to speed the unloading of MLRS rocket pods and artillery ammunition pallets for shells & propellent at ammunition supply points.

Which brings up the missing Russian all terrain fork lifts.

I wrote a long tweet thread in Nov 2021 on the poisonous WW2 interservice politics in the Pacific over the logistical supply chain there involving forklifts.

The gist of that thread was a War Dept. logistics troubleshooter showed up in the Pacific to unsnarl War Dept. supply chains and had the trouble both snarled & shot back at him.

That being Adm Nimitz & his staff disallowing the Army its concrete in it's supply ship manifests to build forklift capable warehouses in the age before all terrain forklifts were invented.

Then as now senior US Navy leaders are plug ignorant & proud of it when it comes to the realities of building & operating maritime infrastructure to support naval operations.

This 1940's era 'type A' USN micromanagement of Army concrete contributed to the artillery shell shortage that slowed the Okinawa campaign, resulting in a great deal of avoidable kamikaze damage.

Fanbois of Nimitz can rest easy because Putin & his generals in ukraine have far exceeded anything the WW2 Central Pacific command clique ever did by way of screwing up the transportation military supplies by corruption.

Whatever monies that were supposed to go for Russian Army truck cranes went to line someone's Flag rank pockets.

The reason the US Army adds cranes to its trucks is to make the entire truck fleet more productive in moving cargo with fewer vehicles. Cranes reduce the loading time per truck so more of a vehicle's work day is spent on the road than standing still.

Rough order, at the 90 mile/145 km distance Russian trucks can make three round trips. US Army trucks will be able to make four, because of their crane reduced load/unload times.

Or, the pre-war truck efficiency assumptions on how long Russian trucks load and unload are very wrong because of built-in Western assumptions on levels of Russian mechanized logistics.

US Army has had its Palletized Load System (PLS) trucks since 1993, having produced over 8,000 to date, and half of them were bought with cranes. There is nothing like it in the Russian truck fleet in Ukraine These PLS trucks are the US Army's primary MLRS rocket transports.

The ports of St Petersburg and Vladivostok are heavily containerized as are the Russian railroads since they transship Chinese containers to Europe.

One of my maritime shipping contacts sent this to me when I asked him about the penetration of ISO containers in the Russian economy:

"Containers are used almost exclusively for commercial offload in the ports. They are rarely transported into the interior.

Maersk just ran a story about heading back into Russia to grab 50k containers. That is mainly those in and around the ports."

There are huge economic multiplier effects that come to economies from full intermodal transportation.

Russians don't have them.

That means Russia's non-oil economy is much smaller than Western economists give it credit for.

I wonder how big a Ponzi game Putin's Russian economy is playing with German banks?

RedToothBrush · 24/03/2022 18:27

[quote MagicFox]This has to be wishful thinking. And not seen it reported elsewhere so not sure how significant TASS is? twitter.com/timinhonolulu/status/1507047590889607170?s=21[/quote]
Wishful thinking.

He's just in his bunker. Having a Downfall Meltdown except on zoom.

Wrongkindofovercoat · 24/03/2022 18:38

@Ijsbear
Anonymous hacks Russia's Central Bank and more than 35,000 files will be exposed in 48 hours

Why 48 hrs ? Are they trying to get some money in exchange for some of the files ?

RedToothBrush · 24/03/2022 18:43

Harry Cole @mrharrycole
Well well well.. hear the PM is going to be on @BBCNewsnight tonight....

First time in years as far as I can recall...

Long way from the ministerial ban now.

Well that'll be interesting...

RedToothBrush · 24/03/2022 18:44

Reports Kharkiv is getting hit badly tonight.

PaperTyger · 24/03/2022 18:51

V interesting on these detail's red ie the pallets!

Natsku · 24/03/2022 18:51

Finland is sending more military aid but keeping all the details secret, no saying what, where, or when, in order to ensure it all arrives safely. Wonder if there's been an issue before with stuff not arriving safely. Seems sensible to keep it secret anyway, also stops the Russians knowing exactly how much aid they are sending.

StormzyinaTCup · 24/03/2022 18:51

Why 48 hrs ? Are they trying to get some money in exchange for some of the files ?

I follow them on Twitter and I did think the ‘48 hrs’ timeframe was a bit odd. I don’t think there is money involved as that’s not what they are about, they do what they do just because they canSmile (and adding to DGRosetti’s comment about cyber attacks) a fair amount of work being done at the moment under the Anonymous banner will be by Ukrainians.

PaperTyger · 24/03/2022 18:52

Wrong over coat a few day's ago I'm sure I saw a tweet that anonymous were working o a data dump so large it would blows the Kremlin sway

PaperTyger · 24/03/2022 18:54

Sorry if it's been mentioned but it seems Ra was up to something after all in Israel!

DuncinToffee · 24/03/2022 18:59

NEW: The Ukrainian civilian sailors captured off of Snake Island in late February were freed in the first full-fledged prisoners-of-war exchange between Russia and Ukraine.
www.npr.org/2022/03/24/1088593653/snake-island-sailors-freed-prisoner-swap

Natsku · 24/03/2022 19:04

Oh they've been freed! That's wonderful news!

Igotjelly · 24/03/2022 19:04

[quote DuncinToffee]NEW: The Ukrainian civilian sailors captured off of Snake Island in late February were freed in the first full-fledged prisoners-of-war exchange between Russia and Ukraine.
www.npr.org/2022/03/24/1088593653/snake-island-sailors-freed-prisoner-swap[/quote]
I do hope it is them. I was a bit worried then would just be disappeared and never heard from again.

MMBaranova · 24/03/2022 19:11

Trent Telenkio is great. A number of tweeters put out interesting logisitical threads and he is one of the best.

Meanwhile, if you do have friends and family in Ukraine and want to help out financially, it is now a week since PayPal allowed accounts in Ukraine to draw money down to debit and credit cards. It lets me cover some basic shopping for a relative who has lost all her freelance work.

DuncinToffee · 24/03/2022 19:12

Unconfirmed but significant development if true
twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1507041945725673475?t=nAwt-I78IWMej4PImgwtOQ&s=19

🚩The Ukrainian army reportedly recaptured Lukyanovka, east of Kyiv, destroying three tanks and 9 Infantry Fighting vehicles in the process.

This is an important counter-offensive, as Lukyanovka is on the Russian supply line to Velyka Dymerka, near Brovary.

Ijsbear · 24/03/2022 19:13

[quote Wrongkindofovercoat]@Ijsbear
Anonymous hacks Russia's Central Bank and more than 35,000 files will be exposed in 48 hours

Why 48 hrs ? Are they trying to get some money in exchange for some of the files ?[/quote]
absolutely no idea, it's just what's been Twittered by anonymous. Maybe going through the info first so that they can withdraw useful stuff and plan more hacks from them?

PaperTyger · 24/03/2022 19:13

Oh god, the butcher of mariapol.
Organised atrocity in Syria.SadAngry

Alexandra2001 · 24/03/2022 19:23

@TiddyTidTwo

And it's not just because Ukraine is in Europe. We fought in Afghanistan and British troops were there for years.

Now Biden withdrew girls can't go to school anymore.

This cannot happen in Ukraine. Ukraine must not fall under that despot. Because he will move into other Baltic states next.

To be fair, Trump started the process of Afghan withdrawal but sure it was handled very badly and its a disgrace what has gone on there, forgotten now because of Ukraine.

Understand your hawkishness but we need to be a bit careful here, putin is 99% bluffing and he is certainly no where near the nuclear button BUT we cannot be sure.
Sending Ukraine more/better/powerful equipment is the way forward, not least air defence and anti ship.
Good to see US sending Drones & advanced Air defence.

However, what the fuck is Boris doing saying we stand with Lyiv, Mariupol etc etc ...No we bloody well don't! we are all tucked away safe n sound.

PaperTyger · 24/03/2022 19:26

Alexandra!
I've seen endless hawking from you!
Not that I blame you I swing! But as soon as someone posts in the same vein your all over them telling them why they can't

Ijsbear · 24/03/2022 19:33

@PaperTyger

Wrong over coat a few day's ago I'm sure I saw a tweet that anonymous were working o a data dump so large it would blows the Kremlin sway
Well that would be good. ANything that blows the Kremlin away is just fine.

It's such a shame that Russia has fallen back into being guided by paranoid life-wasting destructive old men.

PaperTyger · 24/03/2022 19:36

Yes it is ljsbear.
However as pp Said it's interesting how they are in the grip of the old guard who remembers the Soviet times. But their own DC are the vanguard.

Ukraine is ruled by the young.

I Keep posting it but the article / Atlantic is very hopeful about Russia's future as long as they survive this last raut.

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