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Oh, Nazanin. How dignified you are.

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AnyFucker · 21/03/2022 13:12

Just seen a clip of the press conference she gave. How generous of her to share it with the daughter of a man still trapped in Iran.

How composed and articulate she is. Honestly, with so many fucking idiots in power, how do we keep the faith in the face of what happened to Nazanin.

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ScribblingPixie · 23/03/2022 07:23

Richard's hunger strike was from October to November. Liz Truss became foreign secretary on 15 September. This is from inews.co.uk's article on how her release eventually happened.

"In September last year, Ms Truss met her Iranian counterpart Hossein Amir-Abdollahian at the UN in New York. They issued only a bland public statement afterwards – but in secret they agreed to accelerate the endgame for negotiations, crucially using Oman as a neutral go-between.

Throughout October and November, British and Iranian diplomats repeatedly met in Tehran. In total, there have been more than three dozen meetings and 100 more conversations over the fate of the prisoners.

Ms Truss had the foreign minister of Oman over to her country house, Chevening, a few days before Christmas. On the face of it, this was nothing more than a friendly catch-up with a number of Gulf governments represented. But on the fringes of the main event, the two allies peeled away to discuss the prospects of a deal with Iran.

Oman’s capital, Muscat, was the venue for a final meeting between Ms Truss and Mr Amir-Abdollahian. Meanwhile Foreign Office officials had been working around the clock – one senior figure estimated they had racked up overtime equivalent to an additional 50 per cent of their normal hours – and ministers had spoken to the families of Ms Zaghari-Ratcliffe, Mr Ashoori and Morad Tahbaz more than 75 times.'

That's not to defend the failures beforehand but I don't get the whole anti-Truss thing. It seems like she did a good job. This is just one article though, and doubtless briefed by the Foreign Office. An investigation's obviously required.

SueSaid · 23/03/2022 07:26

'The reason she was a hostage was the foreign secs so no I don’t think she owes any gratitude to them it was THEIR JOB to get her out as one in particular '

The reason she was a hostage was because the Iranian regime take hostages. This isn't new news.

Particularly those with dual nationalities. Again, this is well known and should have been a consideration before going on holiday to a country run by a totalitarian regime who take hostages.

Not her fault, Iran's fault. None of this is the fault of the FO. The whole thing has been twisted into a bizarre blame the gov witch hunt with people like Hyde typically jumping on the bandwagon.

Absolutely great that she has been released. She doesn't need to bow and scrape rather perhaps recognise the joint efforts of those involved in her release.

cakeorwine · 23/03/2022 07:30

Not her fault, Iran's fault. None of this is the fault of the FO. The whole thing has been twisted into a bizarre blame the gov witch hunt with people like Hyde typically jumping on the bandwagon

You will have read that Former Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt has said that it took too long

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60832188?

Mr Hunt, who was foreign secretary between July 2018 and July 2019, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme he did "everything I could" in his role to secure their release but "it took too long".

While he said the "primary responsibility" for their detention lay with Iran, the Conservative MP added: "I think we all have to say 'could we have done it faster?' And I think the answer is we could have."

However, he praised Foreign Secretary Liz Truss and the Foreign Office for negotiating the pair's release, describing it as "an extraordinary achievement".

I wonder if you are capable of empathy and can get inside the head of someone who has faced what Nazanin has for the last 6 years.

Are you capable of that?

SueSaid · 23/03/2022 07:39

'I wonder if you are capable of empathy and can get inside the head of someone who has faced what Nazanin has for the last 6 years.-

Well no i can't get inside anyone's head. I'm sorry for everything she endured but I can also recognise it was an incredibly complex situation with a dictatorship calling the shots not the apparently hapless 5 foreign secretaries.

I hope they take the time to have some privacy and get Gabriella out of the public eye. The recent footage of her squirming and not looking remotely happy were uncomfortable to see.

SueSaid · 23/03/2022 07:40

Jeremy Hunt. He's not someone whose opinion I give a lot of credit tbh.

Rummikub · 23/03/2022 07:41

Of course Iran at fault but the U.K. govt is too.
They could’ve paid the money. Why’s it ok to now pay what is owed?
Nazanin had every right to visit her family

longwayoff · 23/03/2022 07:41

Could not agree more OP, magnificent woman who can say what she bloody well pleases, we're not in Iran, good luck to her and her family.

C8H10N4O2 · 23/03/2022 07:54

@Roussette

And hasnt Marina's article and the revolting Fail and snipey comments on here shown up the divides in this country

Fuck off with the 'show some gratitude" line

What....show some gratitude for not paying an owed debt and only doing it now even though this woman was imprisoned over there and doing it now so we can beg for oil
Or be grateful for 5 useless FSs who were incapable of, or didn't want to even try to secure her release

And where was Truss when Richard was on hunger strike in the freezing cold close to the HoC and getting more ill by the day?
Nowhere to be seen

Be grateful? No
Why should she

Truss was very busy at that time finalising her PR arrangements for instagram and giving soft focus puff pieces to the media:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/29/liz-truss-hires-instagram-guru-to-battle-sunak-in-tory-beauty-contest

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-foreign-secretary-liz-truss-became-a-style-influencer-zb27x835v

Plus another dozen photo opportunities for instagram. Gotta get the priorities right.

Personally I'm fascinated that after 6 years of bumbling incompetence the person closing the door is supposed to be lauded as some kind of miracle worker rather than doing their basic job to protect British citizens, conducting their own family visits in a country which had no FO warning to avoid.

White immigrants like Platell can say what they like about the state of the country. Black and brown Brits with generations of British ancestry must live in a state of permanent gratitude.

Roussette · 23/03/2022 08:01

You talk Janiie as if the 5 FSs could not have done more. That they strained every sinew (yes... haha, how often have we hard that phrase) to get her out.
When just one FS admits more could've been done, it rather throws your 'It's all Iran's fault and there was nothing we could've done' into disarray.

You are also blaming her for taking her little daughter over to meet her parents... nice Hmm

SueSaid · 23/03/2022 08:15

'You are also blaming her for taking her little daughter over to meet her parents... nice'

People are quick with blaming accusations. I've made it clear I blame Iran however we can't ignore the fact Iran takes hostages, particularly those with dual nationalities so yes I do question the decision to go. Mahyar tousi is Iranian dual national, google him, he wouldn't take the risk and pop back to see family. She was either extremely naive or extremely reckless.

The negotiations to get her back would have been complex and I bet we don't know the half of it.

Anyway as I keep saying great she's home. The 3 of them clearly need time to adjust in private.

Roussette · 23/03/2022 08:17

Truss and her photo ops are beyond pathetic.
Over 700. One every 5 hours.
How on earth can we take her seriously

Saucery · 23/03/2022 08:18

this is well known and should have been a consideration before going on holiday to a country run by a totalitarian regime who take hostages.

Or

Not her fault, Iran's fault

None of this is the fault of the FO

Or

FS who was directly involved in the situation says they were partly responsible for the tardiness in negotiations.

The ability to hold contradictory facts and opinions in one’s head must be a great boon for the professional contrarians on this thread and wider social media.

Rummikub · 23/03/2022 08:18

Complex?

Pay the money you owe
No

Oh hang on- oil

Rummikub · 23/03/2022 08:19

And boris’ Stirling work resulted in longer incarceration.

SueSaid · 23/03/2022 08:20

'The ability to hold contradictory facts and opinions in one’s head must be a great boon for the professional contrarians on this thread and wider social media.'

I don't 'hold contradictory facts' I've made it clear I blame Iran for her incarceration.

Saucery · 23/03/2022 08:20

@JaniieJones

'You are also blaming her for taking her little daughter over to meet her parents... nice'

People are quick with blaming accusations. I've made it clear I blame Iran however we can't ignore the fact Iran takes hostages, particularly those with dual nationalities so yes I do question the decision to go. Mahyar tousi is Iranian dual national, google him, he wouldn't take the risk and pop back to see family. She was either extremely naive or extremely reckless.

The negotiations to get her back would have been complex and I bet we don't know the half of it.

Anyway as I keep saying great she's home. The 3 of them clearly need time to adjust in private.

And yet you say it’s not her fault? Surely you can see how your statements are now contradicting each other and therefore beginning to make no sense whatsoever. Not just unpalatable opinions, to which you are perfectly entitled, but completely at odds with each other. As if you are arguing with yourself. Quite bizarre to see!
Saucery · 23/03/2022 08:21

I don't 'hold contradictory facts' I've made it clear I blame Iran for her incarceration

You do. Schrodinger’s Contrarian. .

Roussette · 23/03/2022 08:22

Yes, she's home and she should be grateful, okaaay...
6 years of her life taken. 6 years of not seeing her daughter grow up

Saucery · 23/03/2022 08:23

Don’t forget, Rousette, she should not only be grateful, but go away and shut up .

SueSaid · 23/03/2022 08:23

'And yet you say it’s not her fault?'

Iran took her hostage. Iran is to blame. The 5 FS aren't.

Saucery · 23/03/2022 08:26

The 5 FS aren't.
At least one ex FS disagrees with you on that.

Iran is to blame
So why are you constantly repeating that she was ‘naive……reckless’ etc? You are blaming her, it’s there for everyone to see so I’m not sure why you are denying it.

Roussette · 23/03/2022 08:26

I've made it clear I blame Iran for her incarceration

Of course. No one else put her in prison for 6 years.

I've made it clear I blame the UK Government for not securing her release in 6 years

Roussette · 23/03/2022 08:28

The 5 FS aren't

So you are convinced they did everything they could? You are convinced the debt could not have been paid before last week?

SueSaid · 23/03/2022 08:28

'she should not only be grateful, but go away and shut up'

She doesn’t need to bow and scrape, or go away or shut up. Rather recognise all those involved in securing her release as in fact Tulip Siddiq did. Perhaps Tulip didn't quite know what she was talking about?

Maybe take time to adjust in private. Did you see Gabriella in recent footage?

I'd be angry after been detained by a dictatorship too. Just not with those who brought me home.

Rummikub · 23/03/2022 08:33

What exactly did FS do to secure release?

I find it interesting and shocking that other hostages didn’t get publicity to support release. Because they were too brown? And richard was more palatable.

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