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Ukraine-invasion-part-15

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Ijsbear · 20/03/2022 16:14

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DrBlackbird · 22/03/2022 15:29

[quote AgnesWestern]@RedToothBrush

What does 5:11 mean?[/quote]
Where Red is commenting on a certain poster’s interesting ratio on posts to Azov mentions.

DGRossetti · 22/03/2022 15:31

The GC states (I paraphrase) that POWs should not be held in areas which are combat areas where they can be exposed to fire.

So schools, hospitals and POW camps then ?

Not sure if there are any provisions with regard to being moved out of country but of course that did happen in WW2 (e.g. German POWs transported to Canada).

But Canada was a belligerent. I was pondering a neutral 3rd party.

DuncinToffee · 22/03/2022 15:50

More info via Anders Östlund
More info. @mhmck is a very good source. In the line of fire is not the same as encircled but the effect can be the same.

Numerous reports that rashist (Russian fascist) invasion forces in Hostomel, Bucha and Irpin are out of food and fuel. Ukrainian defenders recaptured or have in their field of fire all the significant routes for resupply. twitter.com/mhmck/status/1506291217025441808?t=LSgk0WMHauzvbEF9ZbTfzA&s=19

Keep in mind that it is still unconfirmed

RedToothBrush · 22/03/2022 16:25

Samuel Ramani @samramani2
BREAKING: Poland says it wants Russia expelled from the G20 and that the US has responded positively to this proposal

The full comment from Piotr Nowak:

"During the meetings with, among others, [US Commerce Secretary] Gina Raimondo, we made a proposal to exclude Russia from the G20, which was met with a positive response and approval, and the matter is to be handed over to President Biden"

notimagain · 22/03/2022 16:29

@DGRossetti

The GC states (I paraphrase) that POWs should not be held in areas which are combat areas where they can be exposed to fire.

So schools, hospitals and POW camps then ?

Not sure if there are any provisions with regard to being moved out of country but of course that did happen in WW2 (e.g. German POWs transported to Canada).

But Canada was a belligerent. I was pondering a neutral 3rd party.

Fair point about WW2 & Canada involvement, I was being a bit dull.

Re neutral countries - Bit of a grey area perhaps and down to the individual states??? I know the members of the Royal Marines detachment taken prisoner in Stanley on day one of the Falklands campaign were in short order flown back to Argentina, then quickly handed off to Uruguay and hence back to the UK but I don’t know what if anything the GC has to say about that.

..and thanks for that Bellingcat link…I’ll have a dig into that when time permits.

RedToothBrush · 22/03/2022 16:33

@DuncinToffee

More info via Anders Östlund More info. *@mhmck* is a very good source. In the line of fire is not the same as encircled but the effect can be the same.

Numerous reports that rashist (Russian fascist) invasion forces in Hostomel, Bucha and Irpin are out of food and fuel. Ukrainian defenders recaptured or have in their field of fire all the significant routes for resupply. twitter.com/mhmck/status/1506291217025441808?t=LSgk0WMHauzvbEF9ZbTfzA&s=19

Keep in mind that it is still unconfirmed

Seems very plausible. Ukraine did retake nearby Marakiv in the last day or so I believe. The hope was it would help to isolate some Russian forces in the area and would help to free up one of the main routes to the west via the M06.

That would fit perfectly with that information.

prettybird · 22/03/2022 16:34

As a general principle, I choose to ignore contributions from 🐿 Grin they're just not worth it although I did post once pointing out the bigger picture of the relative levels of Neo-nazi support Confused Posting more than that just gives them oxygen to continue.

I do however appreciate the posts and more accurate from @forinborin ThanksSmile I speak a very little Russian (studied it for 2 years at Uni c40 years ago) so can just about understand the videos.

My SIL is Ukrainian (although her parents and her dd1 live in Russia Sad) and db and she are now putting up 4 Ukrainian refugees. Fortunately db now lives in France, as a "cousin's wife,sister, mother and daughter" wouldn't have been deemed close enough relatives to get a visa to the UK at the time that they were fleeing Ukraine SadAngry

RedToothBrush · 22/03/2022 16:36

The Times @thetimes
Ukraine’s armed forces said in an update that Russian troops had been “repelled” from Makariv, a strategically important Kyiv suburb, and the Ukrainian flag was raised over the town

The recapture of Makariv, about 37 miles west of Kyiv, could prevent Russian forces from encircling the capital from the northwest

A counterattack was also launched by Ukrainian forces in the south, which had forced Russia to “retreat to unfavourable boundaries” in the direction of Mykolayiv, a city near the Black Sea

Elsewhere, towards Pivdennobuzkyi the “occupants moved to the defensive action”, the armed forces said. “They are taking measures to restore the combat capability of the units, trying to restore the damaged armoured vehicles"

The update added: “Having lost the offensive potential, the Russian occupying troops continue forming and deploying the reserves from the depths of the Russian Federation to the borders of Ukraine”

There were also reports of desertions, with Kyiv claiming 300 Russian troops refused to obey orders in the Okhtyrka region of Sumy, near the northeast border with Russia, adding that they “left the area of operations”

The Centre for Defence Strategies, a Ukrainian think tank, said: “Russian forces are aware of the hopelessness of their situation and increasingly choosing desertion to avoid death”

It said that in the settlement of Havronshchyna, in the Makariv district, Russians stole cars and changed into looted civilian clothes before driving towards the Belarusian border

East of Kyiv, it said that Ukrainian forces had attempted to resume an offensive in the direction of Brovary, “the enemy suffered significant losses” and Russian forces “retreated and are trying to restore combat capability”

The Pentagon said that Ukraine had begun to shift the battlefield momentum in some areas to reclaim ground from invading forces.

The Ukrainians were “in places and at times going on an offensive,” John Kirby, a spokesman, told CNN

DGRossetti · 22/03/2022 16:38

DS girlfriend is Latvian and speaks Russian (apparently). That's when she speaks at all. You've never met anyone so reserved. She's just got back from seeing her parents who sent us a gift !

RedToothBrush · 22/03/2022 16:41

The Times @thetimes
Russian pilots will think twice about getting into their planes after British soldiers have trained Ukrainians to fire Starstreak anti-aircraft missiles, the British Army’s air defence commander says

Colonel Graham Taylor, who co-ordinates the ground-based air defence capability of the UK, said that the high-velocity weapon causes “catastrophic” damage to low-flying enemy fighter jets and helicopters

Taylor said that British troops were being deployed to a secret location in eastern Europe to teach Ukrainians how to use the portable system, which launches missiles capable of travelling at more than 2,000 mph

Starstreak splits into three “darts” in mid-air that tear through enemy aircraft after being laser-guided to a target by a soldier on the ground.

Taylor said that Starstreak was “catastrophic” and “potent”

Would the system help 🇺🇦 to impose an effective no-fly zone? Taylor said he wasn't in a position to comment on the likelihood or not.

“But of course, yes, ground-based defence systems that are highly capable in 🇺🇦 will certainly have an effect and make 🇷🇺 think [about flying]”

The MoD is sending shoulder launchers and lightweight portable stand launchers to 🇺🇦, as well as Starstreak.

The UK is also deploying troops to Poland to operate the UK’s long-range Sky Sabre missile system, which will take down any enemy aircraft that fly into Polish airspace

Starstreak demands a lot of training in order for soldiers to use it effectively.

The shoulder-launched missiles are most difficult to master and can require weeks of training, as they must be aimed at aircraft by the operator while standing under the device, which weighs 14kg

It takes 1,000 successful hits in a simulator before a soldier is qualified to fire a live missile.

They need to be able to aim at and track a moving target up to 7km away with a two-metre margin of error

Sergeant Major Katie Stock, a Starstreak specialist who has locked in more than 3,000 destroyed targets in training exercises, said that anyone on the receiving end of the missile will “blink and then you’ll have some bad news”

Soldiers in the 7th Air Defence Group said it was possible to condense training into about a week, & their most skilled shooters could destroy 100 simulated targets every 2 hours.

Taylor said the Army had “sent a short-term training team to assist with training the Ukrainians”
“Their ability to pick up those skills and drills will take some time — that will be dependent on their aptitude, although clearly they’ve got a vested interest in putting that learning to good effect"

AlecTrevelyan006 · 22/03/2022 16:42

John Sweeney in Kyiv says that Ukrainian army has surrounded the Russian army at Bucha, north west of the city

mobile.twitter.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1506303352111513605

DuncinToffee · 22/03/2022 16:48

Mariupol

Oliver Carroll @olliecarroll
On Mariupol, refugees who left today claim Russian forces now control large parts of the city. Ukrainian forces beaten back into part of the west side.

RedToothBrush · 22/03/2022 16:48

Jack Detsch @jackdetsch
NEW: U.S. has indications that Ukraine is now "able and willing" to take back territory overtaken by the Russian military: senior U.S. defense official

Ukraine's military is now trying to push the Russians out of Izyum, in East Ukraine, and has held Mykolaiv against 🇷🇺 attack.

NEW: The UK has made 3.7 million medical donations to Ukraine since Russia's invasion nearly a month ago: UK government statement.

The donations include more than 1.5 million doses of medicine, such as pain relief, delivered yesterday.

UK medical deliveries to Ukraine include
nearly 3,000 adult resuscitators
around 160,000 wound care packs
over 300,000 sterile needles
over 32,000 packs of bandages
1,600 pieces of equipment for ventilators
220,000 packs of medicine

Haley Britzky @halbritz
Yikes — There are indications that some Russian soldiers have been taken out of the fight because they got frostbite after not having good cold weather gear, senior U.S. defense official says.

"They're struggling on many fronts," official says of the Russians.

Jack Detsch @jackdetsch
U.S. has seen no tangible indications of Russia physically trying to resupply nearly 200,000 troops fighting in Ukraine, but 🇷🇺 considering adding more troops & supplies: senior U.S. defense official.

NEW: Russia continues to talk about using chemical and biological weapons in Ukraine, but U.S. has no indications of an imminent attack: senior U.S. defense official.

U.S. is monitoring 🇷🇺 stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons for movements into 🇺🇦, the official said.

NEW: Russia's available combat power available for the fight in Ukraine has dropped "slightly below" 90 percent for the first time: senior US defense official

This is out of the 190,000 troops that Russia assembled in Belarus & W. 🇷🇺 before the war, as well as other weapons

"Clearly they did not properly plan for it," the official said.

RedToothBrush · 22/03/2022 16:51

Gordon Corera @gordoncorera
New - 10,000 Russians killed is a ‘reasonable estimate’, a western official says. The figure briefly appeared on a pro-Kremlim website, possibly after being hacked, before being quickly deleted. The official added this would mean a further 30-40,000 wounded or incapacitated

"This is a level of casualties that has not been experienced really since the second world war,” the western official said. “The morale of Russian forces and their will to keep fighting...is something that we're watching really carefully. It is a conflict on a different scale.”

“This is a very significant drain on Russia’s forces,” they said but added, ‘on the other hand, they still have a lot of combat power in reserve and would be in a position to sustain a grinding attritional conflict for some time.”

DGRossetti · 22/03/2022 16:51

Yikes — There are indications that some Russian soldiers have been taken out of the fight because they got frostbite after not having good cold weather gear, senior U.S. defense official says.

Bitterly ironic considering what happened to the Germans going the other way in 1942 ....

DuncinToffee · 22/03/2022 16:53

Michael MacKay @mhmck
The Russian fascist army invading Europe is like a barbarian army from ancient times. It sustains itself by conquest, by looting the land and people it comes to occupy.

When rashist soldiers in Ukraine are on the offensive they steal food. On the defensive, they starve.

Anders Östlund @andersostlund
Reports say that Russian soldiers have raped women and randomly executed people, apart from the looting and general destruction.

RedToothBrush · 22/03/2022 16:55

Afp news agency @afp
#BREAKING Russia opens criminal case against journalist over 'false' info on Russian army

DuncinToffee · 22/03/2022 16:56

Yikes — There are indications that some Russian soldiers have been taken out of the fight because they got frostbite after not having good cold weather gear, senior U.S. defense official says.

I saw a report earlier today that killed (or captured) Russian officer was wearing Ukranian socks and other bits of garment.

I'll see if I can find it again

RedToothBrush · 22/03/2022 16:57

@DGRossetti

Yikes — There are indications that some Russian soldiers have been taken out of the fight because they got frostbite after not having good cold weather gear, senior U.S. defense official says.

Bitterly ironic considering what happened to the Germans going the other way in 1942 ....

Do we think mercenaries from more southern climates are going to be well equipped for the Ukrainian weather?
DuncinToffee · 22/03/2022 17:00

@RedToothBrush

Afp news agency *@afp* #BREAKING Russia opens criminal case against journalist over 'false' info on Russian army
What many journalists in Russia feared would soon happen: The Investigative Committee opened a criminal case against journalist Alexander Nevzorov because of a video about the Mariupol maternity ward under new “fakes about the military” laws. t.co/mtNA5ZTAOE twitter.com/maryilyushina/status/1506310365365297152?t=kzn7n3VztV5yYCk6879mvg&s=19
RedToothBrush · 22/03/2022 17:06

Max Seddon @maxseddon
Russia is charging journalist @NevzorovAG with "knowingly spreading false information about the Russian armed forces" for posting Russia bombed a maternity hospital in Mariupol – one of the grisliest moments of the war.

He faces up to 10 years in prison.

The false information the Russians have admitted to?!

strawberriesarenot · 22/03/2022 17:06

This is probably a very stupid question, so please forgive.
I read people are being evacuated from Mariupol. I don't understand how transport can be brought in for that, but supplies cannot. Unless they are leaving in private cars, I suppose.

I can't believe we are watching this happen.

TiddyTidTwo · 22/03/2022 17:06

"Clearly they did not properly plan for it," the official said.*

Absolutely, the sheer arrogance of Putin thinking the Ukrainians would just roll over in a few days. Absolutely shocking logistical and tactical planning. He won't care about those troops, he will just send more in or use more destructive force.

DuncinToffee · 22/03/2022 17:06

Aslo she noted that during body searches, soldiers of the 128th brigade were surprised to find that Russian Lieutenant Colonel was wearing underwear and socks marked “Armed Forces of Ukraine”.
defence-blog.com/russian-soldiers-looting-ukrainian-military-clothing-warehouses/?amp

RedToothBrush · 22/03/2022 17:09

www.standard.co.uk/news/world/russia-war-propoganda-putin-tass-news-agency-journalist-quits-gleb-irisov-b989756.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1647957049-1
Russian military correspondent quits over Ukraine war and says Putin is sending army to ‘slaughter’
Gleb Irisov, 31, has quit and says many of his ex-colleagues opposed the war