Ukraine-invasion-part-15

[Ijsbear]

Next part.

Tonight is a night of heavy bombing. Tomorrow the worlds politicians and money markets react. And Mariupol probably goes down in history along side Coventry.
This is Kyiv

youhadmeatjello, I bet you're really pleased you checked in!

My DH has asked me a few times why am I reading this thread.

For anyone worrying about the immediate future, just remember Kate and Wills are off on tour. I’m sure if there was any credible current threat the future King and Queen would be safely tucked away.

I think I saw a rumour on Twitter that chemical weapons may be used tomorrow, probably in Mariupol. Maybe that’s what RTB was alluding to.

I don’t think Boris will go (in reply to the report in the DM about him going). I think it’s to make him look good but it will be said security chiefs couldn’t allow it/couldn’t make it safe enough.
Besides what happens if something happens to Boris during the visit?! Surely that would be an escalation.
I can only imagine him bumbling around a war zone acting like he’s Churchill and it’s making me cringe. How would it help anyone?!

@Goldenbear 😁 the cryptic post was the first one I read. I was like crikey what have I missed now?! Joking aside, this thread has been very useful but I don’t read it as often as I was.

Russia doesn't have money but it does have resources and the ownership of those resources is nebulous to say the least (plus the Kremlin has ways of seizing assets if it wishes). Is it paying rogue states for soldiers with oil and wheat?

@Igotjelly

For anyone worrying about the immediate future, just remember Kate and Wills are off on tour. I’m sure if there was any credible current threat the future King and Queen would be safely tucked away.

They are tucked away, on another continent.

@AgnesWestern

I think I saw a rumour on Twitter that chemical weapons may be used tomorrow, probably in Mariupol. Maybe that’s what RTB was alluding to.

We need to remember they are just that, rumours. I’d be doubtful about whether Russia has even decided itself (in other words Putin) if and when he’d deploy them.

I can remember being terrified in 2020 when WW3 was trending on Twitter and it was being said that Trump would use a tactical nuke against Iran. I can still feel the sheer terror in my throat and stomach.

Well we all know how that turned out!

Youhadmeatjello, no same here, I'm reading other stuff now whereas I was coming here for most information prior to last Thursday.

R.e Kate and William, they don't have their children with them.

@PestorPeston they wouldn’t have left their children if the UK was likely to be in any imminent danger

@Goldenbear ha great minds

@Tuba437

Interesting with the Markopol surrender situation. Some media are describing it as an ultimatum for the city. While others like the bbc make it sound as if they are willing to let anyone out who effectively surrenders including civilians.

Surrender to be sent to a camp in Russia? Surrender to be tortured?

I suspect they won’t honour the escape to the west route, they’ll have snipers set up as they did the first days humanitarian corridors where tried.

I hope I’m wrong.

The rumours of gulag type facilities that these people are being shipped off to is horrifying.

Mm. Interesting if troops really are being taken from Belarus and Georgia.

Hitler lost WW2 because he spread himself too thin by opening up an Eastern Front and advancing on Moscow via Ukraine.

He killed millions of people, soldier and civilian, in the process. But the effort needed on the Eastern Front permanently delayed his plan to invade the UK and left his defences in France and Belgium weaker, making D-Day possible.

Now Putin coming from the other direction is spreading himself thin. If he's moving troops from Belarus and Georgia, will his grip (direct or indirect) on those countries weaken?

Once again with Ukrainians in the mincer, providing the attrition.

@PerkingFaintly

Mm. Interesting if troops really are being taken from Belarus and Georgia.

Hitler lost WW2 because he spread himself too thin by opening up an Eastern Front and advancing on Moscow via Ukraine.

He killed millions of people, soldier and civilian, in the process. But the effort needed on the Eastern Front permanently delayed his plan to invade the UK and left his defences in France and Belgium weaker, making D-Day possible.

Now Putin coming from the other direction is spreading himself thin. If he's moving troops from Belarus and Georgia, will his grip (direct or indirect) on those countries weaken?

Once again with Ukrainians in the mincer, providing the attrition.

That's what I wondered. Pure speculation, but I have been wondering whether a coup or uprising in Belarus is on the cards. I didn't realise that troops were being moved from Belarus, but that would perhaps make this the moment were it to happen.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon 🤣🤣

agree with @ChardonnaysPetDragon
I don't put anyone on a pedestal and not about to start now so don't have a problem calling out a cryptic post for not being at all helpful.