Opinion in case it’s not clear…….a bunch of thoughts and musings I’ve had while reading this thread.
Nato is not going to step in for Ukraine, they’ll carry in as they are. Partly that’s because the USA population won’t back boots on the ground. 35 or whatever percent percent isnt even half the population. It’ll take bombs falling a lot closer to home for the American population to back anything other than sending weapons and aid.
More knowledgeable people please correct me if I’ve got bits of this wrong. The UK and France was it along with Russia had signed an agreement that if Ukraine gave its nukes to Russia those countries would protect Ukraine from invasion. Russia lied, they invade but the rest of our countries also lied to a certain extent, I suspect that agreement is why the uk has been involved in training Ukraine soldiers since 2014 if not before. We haven’t stopped putin but we’ve helped them be able to stop him themselves. It’s just they need more help.
Some of the bombs are coming close to the polish border. That’s putin playing with Poland and trying to scare them by look we can reach you if we want.
Cyber attacks are increasing, a lot more pro Russia or just pro nato are bad information is getting through on the internet. It’s extremely hard to tell what’s fake Russian stuff and what’s normal people. Other fires are being stoked again too. Hopefully now more people will not just believe something because they’ve read it twenty times by different posters on Twitter. I’ll also point out here I saw something on Twitter yesterday, an account I reported after is read a few posts. What it was saying was plausible but it’s Twitter so I read more of their posts and started thinking omg I can’t believe they’re saying that. Then I looked closely at the profile picture which was a Z and suddenly the outrageousness of what they were saying made sense, if I’d only seen the one post I wouldn’t have thought them as anything other than someone questioning and offering possibilities in an attempt to understand the other side.
There is no other side in my opinion. Ukraine were nowhere near joining either the eu or nato. America do not have chemical weapon labs in Ukraine.
I would agree if nato went in, that doesn’t mean I’m calling for all out war. It is my opinion to say that’s a risk I would be willing to take to stop the genocide. But then I thought the rest of the world should have our a stop to Syria, I was horrified at the poison in the drinking water and the chemical attacks both of which targeted children.
That doesn’t mean I’m calling for war or for nuclear war or I’m deluded that we are omnipotent. @Yeahthat you’re being mean. “One of them” has an opinion that you disagree with, that doesn’t mean you can be sarcastic and unkind.
Also did anyone else watch c4 news tonight? They and an interview with an ex vice prime minister of Ukraine who said that zelensky cannot agree to no nato ever because it’s in their constitution and would require a majority of mps to vote to remove it. She also said he’d be going against teh populations wishes, the people who are currently fighting to maintain their freedom.
They also had an interview with a Chinese advisor. It seemed to me he was saying that Russia were justified in accusing nato of being aggressive, he said China is the strongest economy in the world and something else that made me worry. He said they were telling both side to stop but when challenged that Ukraine were defending themselves he r seemed to me to imply that nato were being aggressive to putin. I hope I’m reading that wrong and my head was just in a bad place as I saw/listened. I’d actually really appreciate another opinion on that?
Some of the Ukraine parents are fighting to protect their children from being ruled by putin. They want to keep the right to think for themselves and say whatever they want to. I support them in that. I’m quite disappointed (along with a side of wondering if you’re Russian bots) at the people saying just get Ukraine to agree to what he wants and then see if he stops. Surely that should be get out in to stop and then see what Ukraine agree to? The first leaves you feeling safer, but it leaves me feeling a lot more unsafe. If Ukraine loose or give in and accept oppression then other eu countries will be next.
The other day on LBC they had a caller from Bulgaria. He said the prevailing belief there is that nato won’t step in for the little countries, the same as they haven’t helped Ukraine. We broke an agreement with Ukraine so why would we follow through with that agreement for other small countries that don’t have much to offer the bigger members of the alliance? That was one person, and his opinion only, until it’s tested we won’t know if he is right or not. Nor will those countries. Nor will putin. I won’t be surprised if there is an attack on one of the nato countries, thiugh I hope it never happens. I do feel it’s inevitable though.
I think I am actually more scared that putin will abandon the fight in Ukraine and cosy up to China and maybe another country or two and then in ten years time they will jointly attack nato. This will become more likely in my opinion if we start sanctioning China.