Being curious how many of you are thinking to vote Labour in May election just as a revenge to the superiority that carried by Tory?

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I haven't done my research yet, so can't say certainly I'd do it. But they're lots of things we are not happy with the local council. Usually may not warrant a change of vote (probably just not bother to vote). But the whole partygate thing made me almost determined to vote Labour in May.

Tory didn't care what the public feel or think, carrying on to find excuses for their corrupted government. And that guy, that guy who's born as a natural lier, I can't even bear to hear his voice anymore. Something needs to be done, when their party refuse to change or at least show the public their remorse. I feel I need to do something.

How many of you feel the same?

Until this week I was going to vote Labour which is not my usual party. But they’ve had a shocking week given their key woman can’t say what a woman is.

I could only wish for a decent local MP. Then I would care about party politics either.

But we are a Tory stronghold and the available alternatives are, erm, racist? Tree hugging, fairy dust loving uber greens who wouldn't know the problems living week to week if they watched Rich House, Poor House etc non stop for a year!

I haven't been kidding when I say I am politically homeless. There really is noone to vote for.

My post above wasn’t talking about policies for women - women and children were significantly better off under the last Labour government than they are under the current government not because of their femaleness but because women are over represented in groups in poverty. Oh and I wasn’t suggesting people were going to vote Tory - but if a long term Labour voter chooses not to vote then the vote share to other parties rises.

Don't respect my sex? Don't get my X.
That doesn't mean I'm voting Tory, it just means I'm not voting Labour

I’ve never voted Labour and never will. I won’t vote for the conservatives either as they are almost as bad.

The Conservatives are the only viable party for women

Codswallop.

I won't do it. I won't be complicit with a lie so that I can achieve the purity of conformity required to be a Labour supporter. I don't believe that helps women, I don't believe that helps girls. I won't be hounded with the kindness stick to shut up and play ball.

In our area the only winners can be Lib Dem or Tory. Wouldn’t vote Tory even if you held a gun against my head, so Lib Dem it is.

More than happy to be in the company of people who understand biological sex and want to reduce irreversible medical/surgical harms done to minors @orinocosfavoritecake. Yes, even if they are mad dictators bent on destruction.

Please note: agreeing with one issue does not necessarily mean agreeing with any other issues a person supports. Thought I’d make that clear, because there are still people who can’t get their head round that fact.

@orinocosfavoritecake

Gender Critical does seem to be cofe for right wing, so it’s not surprising to see it hauled out as an excuse to let the Tories in again and who gives a fuck that they’ll slash and burn the welfare state some more.

What’s less clear is whether it’s people trending rightwards anyway using GC as a figleaf, or whether the GC ideological groupthink is driving people to the right.

Before someone jumps in saying that GC isn’t rightwing - this is the company you’re in:

US Republican party ‘ Texas Gov. Greg Abbott is calling on “licensed professionals” and “members of the general public” to report the parents of transgender minors to state authorities if it appears the minors are receiving gender-affirming medical care.’;

Vladimir Putin ‘If someone thinks that women and men are the same thing, then be my guest. But there is common sense.’

Bollocks!

Card carrying Labour voter from 18 - 53 years old. Sent my card back when all the "women are whoever says they are a woman and we'll expel you if you disagree" crap started.

Again, not going to vote Tory. Just not yet able to go back to voting Labour.

And those people you list as proof... They don't talk to me. I don't know them. I'm not into any GroupThink. You may think your post is a clever Gotcha! but I'm just one woman who works for other women and has seen the detrimental effects of gender ideology on rape crisis centres first hand.

So take your right wing claptrap, fold it until it is all corners and shove it... choose your orifice!

I am GC but voting Labour will lift women out of poverty, improve education and health inequalities that impact women more than men and make society at least a little fairer

I'm in Wales where Labour had 20+ years of power to do this - it hasn't happened - most metics show worse outcomes than England.

I'm not sure voting Tory is the answer - but voting Labour clearly isn't either.

Labour have forgotten that women actually have a vote. Or perhaps they are considering taking that right away and only letting trans men and women vote.
Hell will freeze over before I will vote for a party that so despises women that they will quite happily ignore them and turn female society upside down and call it progress.
upside down

Definitely won't be voting labour.

@ Saucery The problem is that this thread is full of people saying that the GC nonsense is what’s driving their vote, so they can’t separate it out.

Labour is no point here.

We have some fab councillors here in our town which has two. One Lib Dem (my area and my vote) and the other Independent (ex Tory) and he's fabulous and even helps us in our area if he can because they work together to make the town as best as it can be.

We need more Tories to turn and I don't know if enough will. Be interesting as if they don't in the locals, I can't see they will in any general election.

I loathe Blair too, but he (well at least the spin doctors and some others in his governments) had slightly more integrity than Boris and co.

GC nonsense? You mean women's rights. That's what you are dismissing so tritely.

Your suffragists foresisters
will be spinning...though that does mean I am assuming...

@MyKingdomforaNameChange

I will consider voting Labour when they can tell me what a woman is.

I agree.

@CremeEggThief

I loathe Blair too, but he (well at least the spin doctors and some others in his governments) had slightly more integrity than Boris and co.

If I were a smoking woman I doubt I could get a cigarette paper between any of them. Same but different.

This is another reason I pity young people. They have no idea what a principled politician looks like. Then again I envy them as they will be active in the pushback that will, hopefully, rewrite politics in the UK.

Then again...

@orinocosfavoritecake

@ Saucery The problem is that this thread is full of people saying that the GC nonsense is what’s driving their vote, so they can’t separate it out.

Or it’s the most important issue for them? It’s about balancing long term goals. I think Starmer et al are scared shitless of a potential Twitter mob and more than likely personal, credible threats of harm to them and their families (particularly if they are female). There’s also a huge dollop of out-of-touch in there too. They probably think back to their youth, when Transwomen were just another flavour of diversity. Or know transwomen who aren’t violent activists and just get on with their lives, bothering or threatening no one (the vast majority of transwomen). Starmer etc also experience the bias of resenting outspoken women telling them they are wrong, so there’s an element of pushback there too.

No. But then I’d never ever vote Tory either

I’m a Labour voter, but no way in hell they’re getting my vote this time. Ours is a Labour safe seat anyway, but they need to feel a hit.

Don’t like the way they’re handling JC. I’m sick of their pandering to people without knowing what they stand for. They’re all over the place and a mess. Don’t like Keith, Jess, Angela…two faced little shits.

I won’t vote at all

The truth is there is NO viable party for women at present.

Choosing not to vote Labour because they ‘don’t know what a woman is’ is the most privileged position

Holding the position transwomen are women, as starmer does, is the privileged position. He won't be harmed by the implications of this, nor will any of the women in his family who by virtue of wealth and connections will be able to insulate themselves from many of the impacts

The people who will be most negatively impacted will be poorer women, women in prisons, women who can't afford private healthcare etc. To fight for women's rights isn't coming from a place of privilege it comes from necessity

Before someone jumps in saying that GC isn’t rightwing - this is the company you’re in:

So, two examples out of how many people worldwide..?