Being curious how many of you are thinking to vote Labour in May election just as a revenge to the superiority that carried by Tory?

[Return2thebasic]

I haven't done my research yet, so can't say certainly I'd do it. But they're lots of things we are not happy with the local council. Usually may not warrant a change of vote (probably just not bother to vote). But the whole partygate thing made me almost determined to vote Labour in May.

Tory didn't care what the public feel or think, carrying on to find excuses for their corrupted government. And that guy, that guy who's born as a natural lier, I can't even bear to hear his voice anymore. Something needs to be done, when their party refuse to change or at least show the public their remorse. I feel I need to do something.

How many of you feel the same?

While I’m here - here’s those well-known feminists at the Catholic Church: n June, the Vatican released “Male and Female He Created Them: Towards a Path of Dialogue on the Question of Gender Theory in Education,” its first extensive statement on transgender identity. While including a call for love and respect, the document rejects the idea that gender is distinct from biological sex. A transgender identity, the document asserts, seeks to “annihilate the concept of nature.”

And the far right Hungarian government: ‘Hungary’s parliament this week passed a law making it impossible for transgender or intersex people to legally change their gender’

It’s almost like there’s a pattern.

Has anybody asked Boris his stance on women? I suspect it's probably:
Somebody I want to shag
or
No interest whatsoever

And this: ‘Three-quarters of liberal Democrats say greater acceptance of transgender people has been good for society. This compares with 45% of moderate or conservative Democrats, 27% of moderate or liberal Republicans and just 8% of conservative Republicans. Meanwhile, 65% of conservative Republicans say acceptance of trans people has been bad for society, while just 6% of liberal Democrats say the same.‘

Toronto’s right wing mayor:

2.“I don't understand. Number one, I don't understand a transgender, I don't understand. Is it a guy dressed up like a girl or a girl dressed up like a guy?”

What are you talking about?

This is a post about a mooted UK general election.

Nobody in the Vatican or Hungary gets to vote.

And sex is immutable. You cannot actually change sex.

Gender is a social construct, do with it as you will, but don't try exchanging it for the immutable fact of sex.

Now, can we bring this back to why women here will or will not be voting Labour?

It’s almost like there’s a pattern

It certainly seems that way, from some cherry-picked evidence

Anyway, this thread isn’t about trans as such. I think you’ll just have to accept that for some people, denying women an identity and a voice (can’t get much more Right Wing than that, really….)means they feel unable to vote for Labour in its current state of biology denying authoritarianism.

The point is that it’s fascinating to see women deciding to support right-wing parties on the basis of a gender-critical ideology that globally is used to oppress women. Turkeys, Christmas, etc..

The official position of the Catholic Church, the US Republican party, the Hungarian government is hardly cherry picking.

What is more oppressive than a woman being held in prison - with a rapist ?
Literally no escape

I don’t know yet if I will vote Tory

But I am certain that I will not vote Labour (or LD or Greens) until they demonstrate that they know what a woman is.

I have been politically active throughout my life. I left Labour over this issue. I am no right wing dupe, thanks.

My! What pretzel logic is this?

gender-critical ideology that globally is used to oppress women

@orinocosfavoritecake

The official position of the Catholic Church, the US Republican party, the Hungarian government is hardly cherry picking.

Nor are they here in the UK, making laws, political statements etc.

@orinocosfavoritecake

The point is that it’s fascinating to see women deciding to support right-wing parties on the basis of a gender-critical ideology that globally is used to oppress women. Turkeys, Christmas, etc..

Just out of interest, can you tell me where, globally, right wing parties use gender critical ideology to oppress women?

How about the Southern Baptists? ‘ RESOLVED, That the messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention meeting in Baltimore, Maryland, June 10–11, 2014, affirm God’s good design that gender identity is determined by biological sex and not by one’s self-perception—a perception which is often influenced by fallen human nature in ways contrary to God’s design (Ephesians 4:17–18)’

@orinocosfavoritecake

The point is that it’s fascinating to see women deciding to support right-wing parties on the basis of a gender-critical ideology that globally is used to oppress women. Turkeys, Christmas, etc..

Nobody needs your approval. It these kind of tactics - to narrate women who have the temerity to disagree by drawing false associations or to accuse them of malice or stupidity, that betrays the wider contempt of Labour for women.

I've voted for Labour all my life. Was I good then and bad now? Was I smart then and stupid today? Was I pure then and bigoted now? Was I caring then and hateful now?

If you insist upon purity. If you would sling mud at those former voters - and Mumsnet was awash with Labour voters 15-10 years ago - how do you ever hope to get them back?

No of course I’m not voting Labour. I’m a woman for one thing. And I have a brain in my head and can see they are totally inept.

Can’t even believe it’s a question . 😂

As for how it’s used to oppress women - my guess is that using biological sex to define people is something the far-right/religious lot are pretty comfortable doing. But that’s just a guess - what’s certain is that political parties who love trampling over women’s rights are big on opposing trans rights too.

As for why GC women choose to be the useful idiots here. God only knows.

@Return2thebasic

I googled it up (not been reading news at all for a week). I now realised my post was created at the exact wrong time.

Why don't the politicians see women are scared and angry?

I’m not scared and angry. How beLittling. Like every other woman. I have a vote and I will use it. And it certainly won’t be to Labour.

Women are not not voting for Labour because they are scared and angry. They are not voting for Labour as they view their ineptitude and fear to define a woman with total and utter disdain.

@orinocosfavoritecake

How about the Southern Baptists? ‘ RESOLVED, That the messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention meeting in Baltimore, Maryland, June 10–11, 2014, affirm God’s good design that gender identity is determined by biological sex and not by one’s self-perception—a perception which is often influenced by fallen human nature in ways contrary to God’s design (Ephesians 4:17–18)’

There’s nothing wrong with that. I agree with it. Biological sex exists and cannot be changed. Because Science, not Because God, but whatever. That doesn’t mean I agree with the SBs on anything else. Why aren’t you getting that? Seriously, do you live in such a binary world that you think agreeing with one thing a person says means you agree with everything they say? It must be so difficult to navigate through life having to find only friends and allies who agree with absolutely everything you think. Exhausting and lonely, in fact.

I've never voted Tory (and never will) but I can't vote Labour whilst they consider TW to be Women (if a TW can show me that their DNA is not biologically male I could be persuaded)

I suspect I'm spoiling my paper

I've always thought of myself at center left - usually vote Labour/Lib dem/green but won't rule out voting conservative.

But being labled right wing doens't bother me - doesn't encourage me to vote any different. It always seem to be a US import despite fact both their main parties seem to be way more right wing than UK ones anyway.

Labour still slighly ahead of the polls - though whether latest remarks from Starmer have made an impact yet or if they will I don't know - but given how dire this Tory government is they should be romping home.

Oh I get on pretty well with GC people in real life. But you can’t a) say that Labour’s stance on trans rights is reason enough not to vote for them and b) claim that it’s not a big deal if pretty much every far-right nutcase across the world agrees with you on trans rights. Either it’s a dealbreaker or it isn’t.

Pretty much every far right nutcase across the world agrees with me that water falling from the sky is a natural phenomenon and part of the water table and that it’s called ‘rain’.

Does that make me a far right sympathizer too? Or could it be that science gonna science and some scientific things are observable? Like biological sex.

@orinocosfavoritecake

Oh I get on pretty well with GC people in real life. But you can’t a) say that Labour’s stance on trans rights is reason enough not to vote for them and b) claim that it’s not a big deal if pretty much every far-right nutcase across the world agrees with you on trans rights. Either it’s a dealbreaker or it isn’t.

I've got no interest in this false flag bullshit. You vote however you like and I'll do the same.

I will end up spoiling my paper rather than going with my usual Labour vote.

b) claim that it’s not a big deal if pretty much every far-right nutcase across the world agrees with you on trans rights. Either it’s a dealbreaker or it isn’t.

It's easy to throw these examples around isn't it. Iran is one of the world leading centres for gender reassignment surgery, its something Iran is really keen on. Do we then assume because of Irans position on gender reassignment that all those who support trans rights in the UK are also aligned to Iran?