Being curious how many of you are thinking to vote Labour in May election just as a revenge to the superiority that carried by Tory?

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I haven't done my research yet, so can't say certainly I'd do it. But they're lots of things we are not happy with the local council. Usually may not warrant a change of vote (probably just not bother to vote). But the whole partygate thing made me almost determined to vote Labour in May.

Tory didn't care what the public feel or think, carrying on to find excuses for their corrupted government. And that guy, that guy who's born as a natural lier, I can't even bear to hear his voice anymore. Something needs to be done, when their party refuse to change or at least show the public their remorse. I feel I need to do something.

How many of you feel the same?

@CremeEggThief

Anyone thinking the Tories are going to be the defenders of women and our rights is living in cloud cuckoo land.

Wake up. The Tories LIE, LIE, LIE and then LIE some more. They're not even trying to hide it any more.

Of course they won't. They're just a different flavour of misogynist.

However, with the odd exception, the majority of labour voting women in this thread aren't saying that they'll vote tory. They're saying they can't vote Labour and so don't know what to vote for.

I personally have no clue what I'm going to do.

I'm awake..

One party lies like politicians.

The other party lies like deluded fence sitters.

Yet more actively collude in the lies that dismantle the rights of 50% of the population.

They ALL lie, they are Politicians, as in Careerists not grass roots.

Which is why I said I'd return to local politics, assuming there is an independent who has more than the last lot did. Otherwise I will be looking for a way to spoil my ballot, again.

Hahahahaha OP!
No one will vote for Labour after what Kier Starmer said the other day. How can anyone have any faith in a man who is happy to publicly state he doesn't give a toss about 50% of the population?

Choosing not to vote Labour because they ‘don’t know what a woman is’ is the most privileged position - I am GC but voting Labour will lift women out of poverty, improve education and health inequalities that impact women more than men and make society at least a little fairer and less corrupt. Women will be more negatively impacted by another Tory government.

I am politically homeless, so still have no idea who I would vote for.

Locally - The Tory Councillors have spent money on themselves and buildings not anywhere near us, leaving me with Greens or Lib Dems really
Nationally - I despise them all, for various things, I can't vote for the Tory party and while I completely understand the women's issues at stake, that is not big enough for me to vote for them, it is however big enough for me not to vote for parties that cant tell me what a woman is

@CremeEggThief

Anyone thinking the Tories are going to be the defenders of women and our rights is living in cloud cuckoo land.

Wake up. The Tories LIE, LIE, LIE and then LIE some more. They're not even trying to hide it any more.

Hell, yes.

However, with the odd exception, the majority of labour voting women in this thread aren't saying that they'll vote tory. They're saying they can't vote Labour and so don't know what to vote for.

Yes. Funny how "I'm not voting Labour" is parsed into "So I must be voting Tory". Much as "I am working to defend women's rights" is parsed into being anti trans and transphobia.

Ludicrous. Yet still it comes...

I see this thread on voting intentions has gone the way of all the others.

So you think all the lies that the Tories have been exposed for over the last few months are normal lies for politicians, Samphire?

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@Enterthewolves

Choosing not to vote Labour because they ‘don’t know what a woman is’ is the most privileged position - I am GC but voting Labour will lift women out of poverty, improve education and health inequalities that impact women more than men and make society at least a little fairer and less corrupt. Women will be more negatively impacted by another Tory government.

What women?

The women I work for are being 'lifted' less as it is. If Starmer cannot or will not acknowledge the two sexes then what hope have we of continued funding under a Labour government?

@Narutocrazyfox

Hahahahaha OP! No one will vote for Labour after what Kier Starmer said the other day. How can anyone have any faith in a man who is happy to publicly state he doesn't give a toss about 50% of the population?

No one? Speak for yourself.

@Enterthewolves

Choosing not to vote Labour because they ‘don’t know what a woman is’ is the most privileged position - I am GC but voting Labour will lift women out of poverty, improve education and health inequalities that impact women more than men and make society at least a little fairer and less corrupt. Women will be more negatively impacted by another Tory government.

I agree but there will be no shortage of posters shouting this down.

Are people really fucking stupid enough to think Boris and his evil pals give the slightest toss about you? Or are you all actually Nadine Dorries with multiple names?

I'm massively gender critical, and I absolutely don't agree with Kier Starmer's position. But if Labour can set out clearly how they will tackle the cost of living crisis, then I'll be voting for themn.

@ilovesooty I should perhaps have said 'hardly anyone'. Seems to me Labour want another Tory landslide...

@CremeEggThief

So you think all the lies that the Tories have been exposed for over the last few months are normal lies for politicians, Samphire?

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Yes. Look back at Blair if you want a Labour version.

We don't have many grassroots politicians any more. We have Careerists and our system is swinging, informally, more and more towards an American style popularity contest, no real manifesto required.

I dislike Johnson and his Tory lies equally but differently to those of Starmer.

I don't see how that is difficult to understand. After all, unlike sex, politics in the UK is not a binary system!

@Hospedia

Again, not a "trans thing" and there are quite a few real women currently having their lives ruined by the sustained attack on women's rights. Vote however you want but don't reframe the choices of others with disinformation

Oh please, some posters will make sure bloody everything on MN comes down to transphobia and they'll find a way to shoehorn it into any thread.

Do I think trans people are trying to erase me? No. Do I think trans people want to get rid of my rights? No. Do I think there are some loudmouth types on both sides of the debate fuelling it with a load of hyperbole? Fuck yes.

I believe in safe spaces for born/biological women, I believe in safe spaces for trans men/trans women, and I believe everyone should have the right to a seat at the metaphorical table.

Sorry but in many places believing or speaking about the concept of a born or biological woman would be considered transphobic.

Wanting to have single sex spaces for women even if other spaces were created for transwomen, would be exclusionary and also transphobic.

You'd be packed off to TERF Hill to think about what you'd done. I must warn you that the hill is fairly crowded but there's usually someone with some biscuits and a flask of tea at the very least. 👍🏻

@DonNotKeith

2nd - agree, will vote labour when they can say what a woman is.

This.

I will be voting Labour, have a brilliant MP who works so hard for her constituents, I'm not so worried about women's rights but really worried about the way people on benefits, the sick, disabled & vulnerable are treated by the Tories.

I'll see what the candidates are saying - I won't be voting Tory but might vote Libdem or an independent if there are any decent non-far-right ones.

@Duntelchaig

Can’t vote Labour til they fix themselves. Sadly. Very disappointed in Keir Starmer. But - if someone had told me in 2019 that a Tory Govt would agree to pay millions of people 80% of their salary up to £30k to sunbathe (1st astonishing Tory decision) in a lockdown (second astonishingly unTory Un libertarian behaviour) to save the NHS (eh? What do they care about the NHS) AND give a (temporary but increase nonetheless) 20% pay rise to recipients of UC for months and months, I would not have believed you. I would like to be able to vote left of centre, but centre is key for a party that looks after the poorest and knows that sec is a biological fact. I am politically homeless.

I hate that attitude to furlough. Truly.

I'm really worried too and I feel so let down by the Labour Party who would rather plough ahead with gender fanaticism than create space for women who understand the biological reality of their own sex class.

Some of us HATE the Tories SO much with a lifelong passion that it is sickening to see some people, who are generally decent people, willing to overlook and ignore everything they have done.

As I said earlier, I would DIE rather than vote for them.

So, no, I am never going to understand where some of you on this thread are coming from.

@MyKingdomforaNameChange

I will consider voting Labour when they can tell me what a woman is.

Me too. Sadly right now the conservatives are the only viable party for women.

Gender Critical does seem to be cofe for right wing, so it’s not surprising to see it hauled out as an excuse to let the Tories in again and who gives a fuck that they’ll slash and burn the welfare state some more.

What’s less clear is whether it’s people trending rightwards anyway using GC as a figleaf, or whether the GC ideological groupthink is driving people to the right.

Before someone jumps in saying that GC isn’t rightwing - this is the company you’re in:

US Republican party ‘ Texas Gov. Greg Abbott is calling on “licensed professionals” and “members of the general public” to report the parents of transgender minors to state authorities if it appears the minors are receiving gender-affirming medical care.’;

Vladimir Putin ‘If someone thinks that women and men are the same thing, then be my guest. But there is common sense.’