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Being curious how many of you are thinking to vote Labour in May election just as a revenge to the superiority that carried by Tory?

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Return2thebasic · 13/03/2022 12:42

I haven't done my research yet, so can't say certainly I'd do it. But they're lots of things we are not happy with the local council. Usually may not warrant a change of vote (probably just not bother to vote). But the whole partygate thing made me almost determined to vote Labour in May.

Tory didn't care what the public feel or think, carrying on to find excuses for their corrupted government. And that guy, that guy who's born as a natural lier, I can't even bear to hear his voice anymore. Something needs to be done, when their party refuse to change or at least show the public their remorse. I feel I need to do something.

How many of you feel the same?

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/03/2022 11:58

Whether you personally believe it is irrelevant. I saw it with my own eyes.

DomesticatedZombie · 15/03/2022 11:59

@ilovesooty

Well unless I can see a list and there is proof of this activity it's not a statement that can be backed up.
There are screenshots on the threads. I found those with a quick google.

Here are a couple of relevant news articles from 2018. Again, found with a quick google.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5319953/Labour-female-activist-suspended-party.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5320733/Labour-transgender-activists-draw-Trans-Terf-hit-list.html

And here's one that's more recent: labourlist.org/2021/09/young-labour-chair-under-investigation-by-party-over-anti-transphobia-tweets/

You could search some of the archive sites which may have captured the relevant Facebook pages. I don't have time to do that right now, I'm afraid.

ilovesooty · 15/03/2022 12:02

I still don't think any of this is as important to me as removing the Tories from government.

SamphiretheStickerist · 15/03/2022 12:09

Which is entirely different from asserting that there is no proof for the previous statements!

Boggged down, distracted....

ilovesooty · 15/03/2022 12:13

@SamphiretheStickerist

Which is entirely different from asserting that there is no proof for the previous statements!

Boggged down, distracted....

I haven't seen any proof. It doesn't mean there isn't any. The only proof I asked for was a list of the members of that secret Facebook group and that doesn't seem to be forthcoming. I'm sure someone could provide it if they wanted to.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/03/2022 12:23

As I said, I was illustrating the reasons many women won't vote Labour. I'm not interested in convincing you.

ilovesooty · 15/03/2022 12:30

@Ereshkigalangcleg

As I said, I was illustrating the reasons many women won't vote Labour. I'm not interested in convincing you.
That's fine.

The list obviously isn't forthcoming so I'll leave it there.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/03/2022 12:32

Read the MN thread, I'm sure you might find it interesting, if you genuinely want to understand.

ilovesooty · 15/03/2022 12:40

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Read the MN thread, I'm sure you might find it interesting, if you genuinely want to understand.
I just want to see the list. If my MP were on it I would be asking him about it. Otherwise I'm not particularly interested in understanding the motivation of single issue voters. In fact just as people who are single issue voters are strengthening their stance when it's questioned, my stance in terms of prioritising removal of the Tories is also hardening and I'm finding some of the more strident posts about female identity very off putting.

Anyone who votes Conservative purely on this issue, or in many cases anyone who spoils their vote will share responsibility as far as I'm concerned for ongoing corruption and austerity in the event of the Conservatives being reelected.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/03/2022 12:45

I'm not remotely interested in whether your support for Labour is "hardening" and what you find offputting, as I find misogyny highly offputting. I'm just laying out my reasons for not giving them my vote at the current time, I'm sure other people will decide whether they want to read the evidence pp kindly provided to back up my statement. I would start with the MN thread. It is pretty comprehensive.

MarshaBradyo · 15/03/2022 12:45

People can vote as they like single issue or not.

You are strengthening your resolve, no issue

I am too reading about any rights being decreased for women and girls

We all feel politically motivated by different things.

DomesticatedZombie · 15/03/2022 12:46

'strident'

Oh, aye. Some of us are dead shrill, too.

MarshaBradyo · 15/03/2022 12:47

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I'm not remotely interested in whether your support for Labour is "hardening" and what you find offputting, as I find misogyny highly offputting. I'm just laying out my reasons for not giving them my vote at the current time, I'm sure other people will decide whether they want to read the evidence pp kindly provided to back up my statement. I would start with the MN thread. It is pretty comprehensive.
Yes everyone is welcome to say why and as you say a pp backed this up.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/03/2022 12:48

Most on the Facebook member list (which I have personally seen but don't have a copy of, and it was early 2018) were Labour activists and members, not MPs, so I doubt they will be unless you are in Streeting's constituency.

ilovesooty · 15/03/2022 12:50

@DomesticatedZombie

'strident'

Oh, aye. Some of us are dead shrill, too.

Possibly.

In any case, if you only want validation from those in your own echo chamber go ahead.

Many posters promoting the idea that Labour is anti women and that this is a single voting issue are evidently unconcerned that their stance is off putting to some people.

DomesticatedZombie · 15/03/2022 12:51

Anyone who votes Conservative purely on this issue, or in many cases anyone who spoils their vote will share responsibility as far as I'm concerned for ongoing corruption and austerity in the event of the Conservatives being reelected.

Well, I'm convinced I should bloody well do as I'm told. Are you convinced, Eresh? Grin

note to readers: more than two parties are available and everyone - yes, even women! - are free to vote for whomever they fucking well please

ilovesooty · 15/03/2022 12:51

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Most on the Facebook member list (which I have personally seen but don't have a copy of, and it was early 2018) were Labour activists and members, not MPs, so I doubt they will be unless you are in Streeting's constituency.
I'm not.
DomesticatedZombie · 15/03/2022 12:52

Many posters promoting the idea that Labour is anti women and that this is a single voting issue are evidently unconcerned that their stance is off putting to some people.

I couldn't give a fuck who other people choose to vote for. I read manifestos, consider the options, and make up my own mind.

MarshaBradyo · 15/03/2022 12:52

Why is it a problem if people vote based on this issue? Other than Labour supporters might not like that of course

That’s democracy we get to choose based on what’s important to us

ilovesooty · 15/03/2022 12:53

@DomesticatedZombie

Anyone who votes Conservative purely on this issue, or in many cases anyone who spoils their vote will share responsibility as far as I'm concerned for ongoing corruption and austerity in the event of the Conservatives being reelected.

Well, I'm convinced I should bloody well do as I'm told. Are you convinced, Eresh? Grin

note to readers: more than two parties are available and everyone - yes, even women! - are free to vote for whomever they fucking well please

I never told anyone "what to do". I'm as entitled to that opinion as you are to yours.
ilovesooty · 15/03/2022 12:56

@MarshaBradyo

Why is it a problem if people vote based on this issue? Other than Labour supporters might not like that of course

That’s democracy we get to choose based on what’s important to us

It's an issue to me in terms of who I choose to associate with.

People can vote for who they like for the reasons they like. I don't have to associate with someone who chose to put the Conservatives in office if I don't want to. I feel sufficiently strongly about it to remove those people from my life if necessary.

MarshaBradyo · 15/03/2022 12:58

It's an issue to me in terms of who I choose to associate with.

Ok that’s fine too. We all get to choose who we have as friends, luckily.

But this is an mn thread and I don’t think that applies here as we don’t know you.

feministqueen · 15/03/2022 13:00

The Labour Party are actually the better party for us locally and did a pretty decent job all things considered when they ran the local town council. They've never had the county as it is a conservative stronghold and probably always will be.

Unfortunately for Labour they simply cannot understand how by focussing more on criticising what the conservatives are doing (or not doing) and alienating their voters by calling us racists for supporting the people in Ukraine (but not enough in their opinion for those fleeing war in other countries) that people simply can't and won't get on board with that type of attitude. And that's not even going into that they don't understand what a woman is.

So even though I do think locally Labour will do a better job for the town, I won't give them my vote. Because my vote does not belong to a party who calls me a racist because I support the people in Ukraine. I asked if he had spoken to the Muslim community about their support for Iraq and if they supported Ukraine in the same way. He wouldn't answer. Not that it matters to me really because people support the causes that they relate to as well as have sympathy to and the 2 aren't mutually exclusive. But I suspect it doesn't support his narrative so why bother with justified reasoning eh?

DomesticatedZombie · 15/03/2022 13:01

IDK, it's a bit of a shame that we all end up in bubbles unable to associate with or be friends with people we disagree with.

Can we not at least agree that we all hate the Libdems and move on?

DomesticatedZombie · 15/03/2022 13:01

THAT WAS A JOKE