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Ukraine invasion discussion thread part 11

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ScatteredMama82 · 09/03/2022 15:43

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Jisforjelly · 10/03/2022 11:14

I’m out and about today and I don’t know why but I find it amazing that lots of people are just talking about normal things. All I can think/talk or read about is this and I find it amazing other people aren’t!

Notonthestairs · 10/03/2022 11:15

You can buy away tickets via the club you are playing against I think.

Tuba437 · 10/03/2022 11:15

@BeckyWithTheGoodHair010101

Lavrov is saying that the maternity hospital had been taken over by Azov on 7th March and had no patients. Whilst I would like to think he is a lying bastard - are we being played with Ukrainian propaganda also?
I wouldn't say propaganda from Ukraine, however they are desperate (quite rightly so ) for the west to intervene. So may exaggerate slightly. Doesn't make the attacks any less awful. However the scale of destruction to that building you would expect a far higher death count, so I guess it would show it wasn't fully operational. Again it was a horrendous attack I don't disagree with that.
WeAreTheHeroes · 10/03/2022 11:17

@BeckyWithTheGoodHair010101

Lavrov is saying that the maternity hospital had been taken over by Azov on 7th March and had no patients. Whilst I would like to think he is a lying bastard - are we being played with Ukrainian propaganda also?
You're in danger of falling for the old, "repeat a lie enough times and it becomes the truth" strategy.

This is about the Russians justifying their cock-ups and deflecting. They do it with everything.

Tuba437 · 10/03/2022 11:17

@Jisforjelly

I’m out and about today and I don’t know why but I find it amazing that lots of people are just talking about normal things. All I can think/talk or read about is this and I find it amazing other people aren’t!
I do think we will reach a point soon where this drops out of the all day 24 hour news coverage and will become just part of the normal news. You can already see it today with regards to covid news stories creeping back in.
RedToothBrush · 10/03/2022 11:18

I think that the lack of experience of Russians for ground combat is a significant thing though hence why calling on Wagner. Even those who have been in Syria, either as Russian soliders or via Wagner sound like they have little experience of ground combat either and seem to have largely ordered syrian milita (who perhaps crucially would know the area) and via air strikes.

If you read the stuff on Wagner operatives few actually sound that experienced when they start either. They are a ragtag bunch of drop outs and criminals with no morals who are looking for money. And theres examples of them not getting paid as they should too.

We know that the 400 deployed to Kyiv, have (so far) not been terribly successful. You have to assume that they were tasked to do things mainly during those first few days whilst the city was under curfew and many got 'dealt with' as a result.

Russia cant just train up new people. And neither can Wagner.

Moral and urban warfare is still in Ukraines favour. Comms issues still seem problematic for the Russians too.

WeAreTheHeroes · 10/03/2022 11:19

Abramovich could have divested his shares without trying to sell them. He could have done it very quickly. He'd already written off a massive loan to Chelsea. The sanctions mean he can't profit from selling the club.

LaingsAcidTab · 10/03/2022 11:19

@BeckyWithTheGoodHair010101

Wow - got piled upon slightly - it was a genuine question I wasn't trying to take Russia's side here. Probably should step away from these threads.
For what it's worth, I see your point and agree with it. I am not taking Russia's side either. However, with all the "cool heads must prevail" comments here, that must extend to everything, including highly emotive material. Especially highly emotive material.
DesdamonasHandkerchief · 10/03/2022 11:22

@Jisforjelly

I’m out and about today and I don’t know why but I find it amazing that lots of people are just talking about normal things. All I can think/talk or read about is this and I find it amazing other people aren’t!
Totally agree J, I'm the same. As for the situation in Ukraine not being 24 hour rolling news anymore as Tuba suggests I think that very much depends on what happens next. Certainly if the war drags on for months and months without escalating to include other countries/NATO this might be the case, but I don't think Ukraine will be able to hold out that long particularly with the increasing atrocities committed by the Russian army.
Jisforjelly · 10/03/2022 11:23

Just read this on the metro, not sure how true it is:

Nato ‘may intervene if Russia uses chemical weapons in Ukraine’, minister warns

DuncinToffee · 10/03/2022 11:24

@Notonthestairs

You can buy away tickets via the club you are playing against I think.
No you can't.

You can always buy tickets via the general sales but only for the home sections

elephantmarchingin · 10/03/2022 11:24

@BeckyWithTheGoodHair010101 It's true that propaganda is from both sides. The death and wounded count was extremely low for a 'fully operational' hospital that was blown up! Also in terms of Chernobyl the IAEA said it would pretty much be ok whereas Ukraine have disagreed and said it is a disaster waiting to happen.

However Russia is keen to try and 'justify' its actions and will use as much propaganda back!

It's such a thin line and things can be exaggerated both sides it is important to remember that BUT Russia is still wrong!

RedToothBrush · 10/03/2022 11:25

www.spectator.co.uk/article/my-oneway-ticket-out-of-moscow
My one-way ticket out of Moscow

Part of this details abuse of Russians who have fled.

MarshaBradyo · 10/03/2022 11:25

@Jisforjelly

Just read this on the metro, not sure how true it is:

Nato ‘may intervene if Russia uses chemical weapons in Ukraine’, minister warns

Which minister does it say?

I did hear an interview this morning on R4 where an MP (sadly didn’t catch name) refused to state red line on chemical weapons. Which I agree with, he shouldn’t at this point speak in definites about chemical weapons and NATO action. He also won’t be making decision without other NATO countries

Goldenbear · 10/03/2022 11:27

It's the Metro though not known for it's investigative journalism or high brow credentials. I noticed how there are hardly any copies of the Metro left at my Sussex station whereas two weeks ago - plenty so the Metro is going to benefit from those bold headlines!

WeAreTheHeroes · 10/03/2022 11:27

I think carrying on as normal is psychologically important. It's one of things we're always advised about the terrorist threat and distraction improves people's mood and morale.

RedToothBrush · 10/03/2022 11:28

Russian Embassy at it too.

Ukraine invasion discussion thread part 11
Notonthestairs · 10/03/2022 11:29

@MarshaBradyo I think it was James Heappey - under secretary for armed forces. He's certainly been quoted as saying similar this morning.

MarshaBradyo · 10/03/2022 11:29

‘May intervene’ also covers may not intervene

The MP didn’t say definitely not do it’s emotive spin time

The media do concern me as they are so good at whipping up we must act responses from public

WhathaveIdoneagain · 10/03/2022 11:31

But the income would go to the host, no? Surely that is why lower league teams want to play big teams at home in the cup. If they could sell away tickets to Stamford Bridge and keep all the income, surely they would all want to play away cup games.

RedToothBrush · 10/03/2022 11:31

Bill Browder @Billbrowder
Wealthy Russians flock to Dubai as west tightens sanctions. Sounds like we may need to add the UAE to the FATF blacklist if they are assisting Russians evade sanctions. That’s a very serious offence.

Smart wealthy Russian, betting that the west cant do much against UAE cos oil.

DuncinToffee · 10/03/2022 11:32

Which minister does it say?

James Heappey

Notonthestairs · 10/03/2022 11:32

The issue with clearing a maternity unit is surely a) pregnant women will keep arriving especially if they can't find out where they should go and b) there will be stages in pre & post delivery where you just can't move a woman that far without specialist equipment.

Natsku · 10/03/2022 11:33

Thinking about the potential use of tactical nukes, wouldn't they damage the natural resources of Ukraine, which are plentiful, and would Putin want to risk that? Ukraine has an important supply of Lithium which is a key resource right now, trying to gain control of that, and other resources, might be part of Putin's plan (good old fashioned resource war) so risking destroying them with tactical nukes doesn't seem wise.

Finnish President is calling Putin tomorrow, I expect the subject of NATO will come up.

Jisforjelly · 10/03/2022 11:34

@MarshaBradyo yes it was the same person as you stated there.
I think as per usual the media is reporting things incorrectly for clicks and as you say, whipping people into a frenzy. It’s not fair. I know that’s their job, but it doesn’t seem right in the scheme of things.
As said many times, we need cool heads to prevail.

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