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Ukraine invasion discussion thread - part 9

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cakeorwine · 06/03/2022 10:45

Because MN only allows 1000 posts and this is fast moving

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4496974-The-Invasion-is-ongoing-Part-8

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ILoveAllRainbowsx · 07/03/2022 11:07

@dreamingbohemian

British refugee policy has been shameful for many years.

I lived in Berlin during the Syrian refugee crisis. Berlin alone took in 50,000 Syrian refugees over the course of a year, while the UK took in a few thousand and dithered about establishing a new resettlement scheme (like they're doing now!) Even now the UK as a whole has accepted fewer Syrian refugees than the city of Berlin.

Well, you have a much bigger country than we have.

All the NIMBYs won't allow housing to be build any where near them.

We have probably half a million people of our own needing housing in England and probably a lot more than that. We also have hundreds of people crossing the channel each week who need housing.

Also, Germany did nothing to help Ukraine prepare for the war when we did, in fact, Germanyy shafted them with the NordStream 2 pipeline.

WeAreTheHeroes · 07/03/2022 11:11

I have Ukrainian and Russian colleagues. One colleague has his wife's Ukrainian family coming to stay with them any day in a major European city. Another Ukrainian colleague doesn't know when they will see their parents again. Those are just two people I know. The human toll in 12 days is horrific.

Iknowitisheresomewhere · 07/03/2022 11:11

@UKRAINEwearewithyou

Any particular reason why other countries can seize Russian oligarchs assets but this country want to give 18 months notice to sell up and move money (possibly reduced to 28 days notice later if Labour get their way).

Is London really the capital for dirty money?

Most sanctions are either in place or will be in place within this month. There is an argument that not enough people are sanctioned but some sanctions appear to affect all Russian nationals, although this may be limited to exclude dual nationals or UK residents unless they are specifically named.

The 18 months you are referring to is the time that foreign companies who are owners of UK property need to register the identity of the individuals that are behind them.

It is true that lots of foreign nationals own UK property, directly or indirectly, because it is seen as a safe asset against economic shocks. We do not have laws forbidding any class of people to own property as a general rule, the laws affect the checks that need to be done to check the money to buy the property was acquired legally. The register will make it much more transparent about who owns what, and possibly affect how easy it is for firms to do their money laundering checks, but all the checks should be done now anyway, the register just means more knowledge is brought into the open.

AthelstaneTheUnready · 07/03/2022 11:12

Am not a prolific writer to my MP, given he's such a party faithful wet lettuce of an gormless Tory, but like others, James Cleverley has enraged me this morning.

Have now written to express my shame and disgust that we are not doing so much more to welcome refugees. It is entirely possible to implement emergency border protocols within 24 hours that are in line with security concerns, and we just... haven't. It sickens me.

WeAreTheHeroes · 07/03/2022 11:13

@ILoveAllRainbowsx - there are also very many investment properties in major UK cities that no one lives in. Who are those investors?

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 07/03/2022 11:13

@dreamingbohemian

This article shows exactly how much Germany cared about Ukraine when Germany agreed to Nord Stream 2:

www.gtreview.com/magazine/volume-18-issue-1/nord-stream-2-spells-pain-ukraine/

ILoveAllRainbowsx · 07/03/2022 11:14

[quote WeAreTheHeroes]@ILoveAllRainbowsx - there are also very many investment properties in major UK cities that no one lives in. Who are those investors?[/quote]
Probably Chinese and Russian.

dottyshihtzu · 07/03/2022 11:15

I saw twitter footage of armed police manning the streets, trucks in a Russian city. In st petersherg a stop the war march.

He's terrified! He's cracking down on his people.

I saw someone on Reddit point out that the Russian police have better protective gear than their soldiers, which shows who they're really afraid of and who they view as the enemy (their own people).

FacebookPhotos · 07/03/2022 11:16

ILoveAllRainbowsx I'm English and I agree with dreamingbohemian. The UK choice not to build housing is a pathetic excuse for failing to take our fair share of refugees.

TheABC · 07/03/2022 11:16

I am furious about the UK's response to the refugee crisis, too. I've donated, signed petitions and pushed my MP (he's a Government Whip, so won't go against the party line). It does not get more clear-cut than people fleeing an active warzone in your own continent! FFS.

Mind you, given their weaselling response over the Syrian crisis I am not sure why I am surprised.

vera99 · 07/03/2022 11:20

@RedToothBrush cracking post and ain't that the truth. The only highly competent member and the superbly briefed minister is ex-military Ben Wallace who it is reported has contempt for the incompetence of Liz Truss but that's a lot of heavy lifting by remainer Wallace who carries the liar in chief on his admittedly broad shoulders.

Meanwhile, Brexit hard man Steve Baker wants to invoke Article 16 as a matter of principle. Who are these people what fucking planet do they live on ?

PestorPeston · 07/03/2022 11:20

The Conservatives even changed the laws on squatting to protect these empty and not intended to be occupied buildings.

Wrentisdue · 07/03/2022 11:21

The UK government is and always has been a joke. Thankfully the military is well respected and has been giving training and arms to Ukraine. at least the help from them and the donations from the Uk people are getting through.

dreamingbohemian · 07/03/2022 11:21

I am not German and I'm not talking about Nordstream. I'm talking about refugees.

But good to know there is more room in one city (Berlin) than in a whole country (the UK).

Not to mention the small countries like Denmark, Cyprus and Austria that took in more refugees than the UK.

It is not about 'space' or logistics, it's about politics and anti-refugee attitudes.

jgw1 · 07/03/2022 11:21

I think so, it might not be immediate but I think it may happen one day. With Carrie being involved with the Conservatives Russian group, that sounds quite dodgy in hindsight.

I am thinking of writing to my MP to ask how is Polish lessons are going, and also whether he has also been begging Russians to pay him to represent them in parliament the same way he was the Saudis.

Got to pay the school fees.

dreamingbohemian · 07/03/2022 11:22

Compare what the Irish are doing for Ukrainian refugees -- no visas necessary:

www.irishrefugeecouncil.ie/ukraine-information-note

Peregrina · 07/03/2022 11:23

This isn't an anti-Brexit gripe. Its a full on actual practical problem now.

But the Johnson Cabinet still has the Brexit mindset. Hence we saw Truss at an EU meeting, by invitation not as a Member, bigging up NATO and not even mentioning the EU.

vera99 · 07/03/2022 11:26

Some nice piano music in the background here - whilst Priti pretends to care.

twitter.com/pritipatel/status/1500781008433647616

DuncinToffee · 07/03/2022 11:28

Johnson is to hold talks with world leaders today in London, well with the Canadian and Dutch prime ministers.

And they finally have that urgent Ukraine meeting today re sanctions, it's only day 12 of the war.

jgw1 · 07/03/2022 11:28

Instead we have Ministers on TV saying how much we are doing (FUCK ALL) and defending relationships with Russians against M16 advice cos they 'were nice to hang out with'.

I understand that some MInisters are so busy they have had to cancel a few parties.

Wrongkindofovercoat · 07/03/2022 11:30

Does anyone know how much it costs for someone from Ukraine to apply for a visa for the UK ? I watched an interview with a MP from Ukraine earlier who mentioned that other countries had waived their visa charges but apparently the UK hasn't.

UKRAINEwearewithyou · 07/03/2022 11:30

[quote vera99]@UKRAINEwearewithyou Part of the City of London's USP is bring me your dirty money and we will wash it clean and pump it through our world-beating financial system. That and we have an honest and stable political system that respects property rights (or we did) and a ruling party awash with millions of financial donations from oligarch's money as an insurance policy. The Tories don't want to shatter that perception and are on the back foot now against domestic and global opinion. Money doesn't talk it SHOUTS ![/quote]
Awful. So our country is complicit in aiding Russian's dirty money and then allowing them time to sell up and move it.

Disgusting. What a corrupt government we have. No wonder they are happy to allow time to sell up and move money out again.

I understand the Labour leader is attempting to change to only 28 days notice before seizing whereas the government happy to give the dodgy mates 18 months to move money away.

So who's side are our government on then?

UKRAINEwearewithyou · 07/03/2022 11:32

@Iknowitisheresomewhere

Thank you for your explanation.

jgw1 · 07/03/2022 11:33

So who's side are our government on then?

The government are on the side of enriching themselves their mates and having a jolly good time partying while everyone else suffers.

Peregrina · 07/03/2022 11:34

So who's side are our government on then?

Their own. Look how happy they were with Russian Oligarch's money - this was the sort of behaviour they liked.