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Ukraine invasion discussion thread - part 9

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cakeorwine · 06/03/2022 10:45

Because MN only allows 1000 posts and this is fast moving

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4496974-The-Invasion-is-ongoing-Part-8

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TheSillyMastiff · 06/03/2022 18:01

@MrsLargeEmbodied

surely too much is being shared on the news? all this talk about offering planes? if we know this from the news, it is known by all?
Yes, and there's a reason some things are reported as just "military aid/lethal aid" and other things are named.

I think NATO knew that Putin would throw his toys out if the pram about delivery of Jets to Ukraine, but it had to be known, Ukraine wouldn't have suddenly built 20 MIG's overnight.

So they just announce it. The MIG's will travel hidden in a convoy and then unloaded at a Ukraine held airbase. This will avoid the whole taking off from a NATO country.

BreadInCaptivity · 06/03/2022 18:01

@blueshoes

notimagain: Putin may well not have had the full picture but from what I’ve been hearing/reading in the last day or two even many of the more honest professionals on the NATO side are now fessing up to having a really really tough time reconciling what they believed a week plus back with what they are witnessing right now.

Please elaborate, if you can.

This article might help:

rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/rusi-defence-systems/russian-air-force-actually-incapable-complex-air-operations

MrsLargeEmbodied · 06/03/2022 18:03

heartening to see all the russians demonstrating against the war.

MumbleCrumbs · 06/03/2022 18:06

I've never been so horrified by anything in my life. My first memory is watching the siege of Waco, it feels like there have been periodical horrors my entire life, but this is the very worst thing I've ever seen play out. It's so senseless, so meaningless, no one will every be able to 'win' this conflict, just a senseless massacre.
Sorry, this is an awfully self indulgent post, but I can't stop thinking about that family getting killed earlier with their little dog as they tried to escape. I don't believe in any sort of God, but this whole thing is Satanic.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 06/03/2022 18:08

it is all so hard to believe

RedToothBrush · 06/03/2022 18:08

Jim Pickard @pickardJE
superb analysis from ⁦*@simon*_schama⁩ on “the dead end of Putinite imperialism”

Note the same parallel picked up on in the FSB thread. Relevant tweets from that thread:

"100% we’ve repeated our mistake from last century, when we decided to kick the “weak” Japan in order to achieve a quick victory, and it turned our army was in a state of total calamity.

Then, we started a war till the victorious end, then we started conscripting the Bolsheviks for re-education in the army. Then these barely-known Bolsheviks picked up their anti-war slogans and started doing such things...

Ukraine invasion discussion thread - part 9
Ukraine invasion discussion thread - part 9
RedToothBrush · 06/03/2022 18:13

Elly Arrow@EllyArrow
German police confirm: Traffickers are targeting Ukranian women and children arriving in Germany with dubious promises of shelter and employment. There isn't a crisis that they won't exploit. Paid access to women's bodies is in high demand in Germany, this is the logical result.

Utterly depressing.

DuncinToffee · 06/03/2022 18:13

BBC recap day 11

If you're just joining us, here are the key developments on day 11 of Russia's invasion of Ukraine:

A second attempt to evacuate civilians from the besieged southern city of Mariupol has failed - with both sides once again blaming each other for breaking the ceasefire. The Red Cross said the two sides had not agreed on the details of how the evacuation would take place

In Irpin near Kyiv a mother and two children died as mortar fire hit an evacuation route from the town, which has been under heavy bombardment. Civilians have been fleeing across a destroyed bridge that was blown up by Ukrainian forces to prevent a Russian advance on Kyiv

Russia's Vladimir Putin told France's Emmanuel Macron that Russia would achieve its aims through "negotiation or war", according to a French readout of their nearly-two-hour call. Earlier on Sunday he told Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan much the same thing

More than 1.5 million people have fled Ukraine in just 10 days, according to the UN refugee agency (UNHCR). The majority - nearly a million - have gone to Poland

Ukraine's Volodymyr Zelensky has warned that Russian forces are preparing to bombard the southern port city of Odesa

About 3,500 people were reportedly detained at anti-war demonstrations in Russia today - more than 10,000 people have been detained since the war began

At least 364 civilians have been killed in Ukraine since the start of the war, the United Nations Human Rights office said - adding that the real figures were likely to be "considerably higher"

Scianel · 06/03/2022 18:14

I've seen confirmation in the Telegraph that Poland will be giving Ukraine it's MIGs and then the US will give Poland replacement jets.

EllenRipley1979 · 06/03/2022 18:15

Clive Myrie, the BBC’s hero in a hard hat

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5eb99d16-9c04-11ec-a6a5-32c563cf34cb?shareToken=58c0c51ee6b78bf56584e38ae4fb0550

BreadInCaptivity · 06/03/2022 18:15

Another good article:

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-russian-army-is-failing-but-not-enough-to-lose-the-war

WhatICallMyUsername · 06/03/2022 18:19

I've just googled re the gymnast. Apparently they competed as neutrals (yeah okay with his pro invasion war symbol on) and are banned from tomorrow and the women also took gold and silver in the uneven bars Angry

www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1120075/doha-artistic-gymnastics-world-cup

brogueish · 06/03/2022 18:20

@RedToothBrush

Elly Arrow@EllyArrow German police confirm: Traffickers are targeting Ukranian women and children arriving in Germany with dubious promises of shelter and employment. There isn't a crisis that they won't exploit. Paid access to women's bodies is in high demand in Germany, this is the logical result.

Utterly depressing.

This has just broken me.

No words.

Thewayshetalks · 06/03/2022 18:22

@Scianel

I've seen confirmation in the Telegraph that Poland will be giving Ukraine it's MIGs and then the US will give Poland replacement jets.
When did you see this? I can’t see it anywhere on the telegraph
RedToothBrush · 06/03/2022 18:22

Reference to a podcast

Peter Foster @pmdfoster
Where emilyreeseu talks to Sanctions Space's Justine Walker from ACAMSAML about impact of #Ukraine #UkraineRussianWar on food/supply & markets. Fascinating.

My quick notes below (corrected to add Ukraine+Russia on oils exports).

Ukraine invasion discussion thread - part 9
Tigersonvaseline · 06/03/2022 18:23

Fuck sake.
Angry

Scianel · 06/03/2022 18:24

It's here twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1500532283949953031

It's saying "could" put some other sources are reporting as more of a done deal thing.

RedToothBrush · 06/03/2022 18:24

twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1500458582902460420
Kevin Rothrock @KevinRothrock
Police officers in Moscow today are stopping people, demanding to see their phones, READING THEIR MESSAGES, and refusing to release them if they refuse. This from Kommersant journalist Ana Vasilyeva

This, even in Russia, is illegal as hell. Ana says she approached the officers to ask on what grounds they were doing this. They demanded to see her press credentials and ignored her question after confirming that she is a journalist.

I can tell you that independent Russian newsrooms all instruct their employees in Russia to disable all biometrics on their smart devices, to prevent the cops from smashing your finger on Touch ID or holding your phone in front of you for Face ID.

Tigersonvaseline · 06/03/2022 18:25

Re grain And wheat that Twitter thing linked earlier Said major food catastrophe coming in June.

Wrongkindofovercoat · 06/03/2022 18:26

From that Igor Sushko twitter feed - 'There’s a rule - if you try to cover for bad quality leadership with quantity, you’ll make everything worse'

BreadInCaptivity · 06/03/2022 18:26

@Scianel

I've seen confirmation in the Telegraph that Poland will be giving Ukraine it's MIGs and then the US will give Poland replacement jets.
Do you have any more details?

It's not as simple as handing over planes.

The Polish airforce need to be able to fly them - so this would imply to be that the US is sending in both fighter jets and pilots to Poland to make up the loss of assets by giving their MiG's to Ukraine.

Bunnyfuller · 06/03/2022 18:27

We’re all just going to let this happen, aren’t we?

nottinghamsupporter · 06/03/2022 18:28

I feel sick reading about it. I can't believe this is happening. I think I'm going to come off social media and all news apps for a while.

Scianel · 06/03/2022 18:28

It's not as simple as handing over planes

It's okay, I'm not in charge of that.

I've provided a twitter link to the Telegraph story.

elephantmarchingin · 06/03/2022 18:29

@Bunnyfuller

We’re all just going to let this happen, aren’t we?
What's your solution