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The Invasion is ongoing...Part 8

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Damnloginpopup · 04/03/2022 22:14

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HeadPain · 06/03/2022 09:32

"The scale of the some of the Russian convoys that are being attacked and destroyed by the Ukrainians has to be seen to be believed.🇺🇦

I have no idea how many casualties the Russians took in this engagement, but they would've been extremely heavy."

mobile.twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1500258525750206465

Sheilablessus · 06/03/2022 09:32

Apologies if this has been answered before.
It is said that many British ex service personnel are willing to serve in Ukraine against Russia.
In spite of Lyn Truss' remark about supporting this principle. It is illegal. Some went to fight ISIS with the Khurdish forces and were prosecuted as terrorists on their return.
There is a long tradition of British military serving in several Gulf States.
What is the difference Why OK to fight for Sultan of Oman but not Zelensk?
Any knowledge?

Andouillette · 06/03/2022 09:34

@Motorina

Or simply set up a visa processing office (or whatever bit of administration is needed) in Calais. Appalling.
They have. In cooperation with the French authorities there is now a French) hotline number for the refugees to call to arrange for British immigration staff to come and help with form filling etc. That was widely advertised yesterday or the day before.
Gingerwarthog · 06/03/2022 09:35

@HijadelaLuna
Totally reasonable request for visas to be processed in Calais. The German comments are justified.
Thanks for posting this.

youhadmeatjello · 06/03/2022 09:37

@HijadelaLuna please know that a lot of us are doing what we can. Writing to our MPs, offering to take refugees in, donating what we can, signing petitions to change things. I can’t get out and protest but I would if I could. Please know we aren’t all sitting passively by.

Roussette · 06/03/2022 09:39

As a German having lived in the uk for a long time it pains me to see how passively brits are reacting to the uk governments treatment of ukrainian refugees. I have Never heard so much negative sentiment regarding britain in Germany than in the last few days

Oh believe me, we're not all passive. Just half an hour ago I tweeted Patel about the disgusting treatment of Ukrainians in Calais, and aready I have over 100 likes and lots of retweets. I've written to my MP, but what more can we do?
I'm not surprised about the negative sentiment in Germany, we have a shitshow of a governent unfortunately. And it seems that, even whilst there's a war in Europe, they are still pandering to their fanbase regarding immigration. My only hope is.. this Ukraine crisis is exposing them. We won't forget.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 06/03/2022 09:40

[quote StAgur]An alternative view, which I am not posting because I share it, but gives a different perspective, when trying to decipher WHY this has happened. No apologies for linking to a DM article; I read newspapers of all persuasions to try to understand things. On any view, the Ukrainians and their president are extraordinarily brave, but I do think that the West have blood on their hands in relation to other conflicts.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10581335/PETER-HITCHENS-saw-coming-Thats-wont-join-carnival-hypocrisy.html[/quote]
All geopolitical actors have blood on their hands and a history that is open to challenge.

When you consider the current geopolitical actors and their actions towards their populace, which one do you want to live with in the future. Dominated by China (actual concentration camps for its populace etc., poor human rights)? Russia (no democratic transfer of power at any point in its history etc., poor human rights)? The West (frequently claimed moral authority from democracy, liberal capitalism etc. but that is increasingly tarnished after interventions in the last few decades)?

HijadelaLuna · 06/03/2022 09:42

I know you do sorry. I have defended the British in many discussions around brexit because I really never thought that the majority was anti-European or racist but this is no longer excusable. And I know that Germany has Made many mistakes too and we should never have become reliable on Russian oil for example!

vera99 · 06/03/2022 09:43

Having begun to fact check the Hitchens article he posted - his assertion that an opposition politician was arrested by Zelinsky for treason doesn't really pan out - this is the opposition chap Hitchens was referring to.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Medvedchuk

MarshaBradyo · 06/03/2022 09:43

Yes of course they do! It's even reported here. There's been plenty of 'posturing' from all sorts of people. I find (for instance) M. Macron's almost constant "Look at me, I am very busy talking to and visiting Mr.Putin" stuff more that slightly dubious. I also find the superyacht seizures by some countries to be more about the optics than being in any way actually useful as well as being quite provocative in themselves.
But -and this is important- I don't particularly think that any of this provoking is wrong. Putin has wound himself up to quite a pitch anyway and will continue to do so. He favours divide and rule, how about we don't let him?

I agree with you on this. Everyone has around the same amount of scope which includes action up to but not including a no fly zone. The various elements are roughly the same from each

MarshaBradyo · 06/03/2022 09:45

I have seen other threads re taking in ie sponsoring someone to stay

Is anyone on here considering this?

Roussette · 06/03/2022 09:45

They have. In cooperation with the French authorities there is now a French) hotline number for the refugees to call to arrange for British immigration staff to come and help with form filling etc. That was widely advertised yesterday or the day before

I would appreciate a link. Because according to press today 150 ukrainians have been told in Calais to go to Brussels or Paris Embassy for a visa.

Abra1d1 · 06/03/2022 09:49

Here is the number.

The Invasion is ongoing...Part 8
HeadPain · 06/03/2022 09:50

Mariupol still has no running water.

"The city is now in its fifth day with no water, no power, no sanitation, and food and water are fast running out."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60637338

vera99 · 06/03/2022 09:51

Peter Hichens trending on Twitter with plenty of pushback for his article.

mobile.twitter.com/search?q=%22Peter%20Hitchens%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends

"SuzieWong Peter Hitchens thinks that white dog shit disappeared when Argos stopped selling video recorders."

Satsumaeater · 06/03/2022 09:51

@HijadelaLuna

As a German having lived in the uk for a long time it pains me to see how passively brits are reacting to the uk governments treatment of ukrainian refugees. I have Never heard so much negative sentiment regarding britain in Germany than in the last few days.
Regarding Britain or the government. They are not the same!

it pains me to see how passively brits are reacting to the uk governments treatment of ukrainian refugees

I don't know if it's passive - I am seeing a lot of activity on social media regarding the visa issue and people writing to their MPs.

I have also seen a lot of people collecting goods for Ukrainian refugees (something which I actually think might be less helpful and people should donate money instead) including one of my employer's offices being used as a collection point.

People aren't demonstrating in the streets about it, if that's what you call passive.

Abra1d1 · 06/03/2022 09:51

More details re that number. Hope that’s the one that was referred to?

The new changes will allow extended family members of British nationals and people settled in the UK to come. This will include parents, grandparents, adult children and siblings from Ukraine, as well as immediate family members.
Extended family members will also be able to bring their immediate family with them. For example, a sibling of a settled person will be able to come to the UK with their spouse and child.
Immediate family members are defined as;
a spouse or civil partner
an unmarried partner (you must have been living together in a relationship for at least 2 years)
your parent if you are under the age of 18
your child under the age of 18
an adult relative you provide care for who lives with you due to a medical condition

EezyOozy · 06/03/2022 09:53

Does anyone else listen to Tysky Sour / Novara media podcasts ? Really interesting, balanced, informative and not at all alarmist:

podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/novara-media/id1001507547

EezyOozy · 06/03/2022 09:54

(They're also on FB)

vera99 · 06/03/2022 09:55

Pinch me is this really happening.... is the appetite for clickbait so intense. Even the name Tom Ough makes me feel that the Telegraph has been pranked.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/03/05/britain-nuclear-strike-russia-ukraine-war/

Downing Street must ‘dust off Cold War plans and prepare for Russian nuclear strike’
Cambridge expert urges politicians to make contingency measures in case Ukraine conflict spills over into all-out nuclear war

By
Tom Ough,
NEWS WRITER
5 March 2022 • 1:31pm
Boris Johnson, here with Vadym Prystaiko, Ukraine’s ambassador to Britain, warned this week that the West must stop a nuclear disaster in Ukraine
Boris Johnson, here with Vadym Prystaiko, Ukraine’s ambassador to Britain, warned this week that the West must stop a nuclear disaster in Ukraine CREDIT: Andy Rain/EPA-EFE/Shutterstock

Government departments must urgently make contingency plans in the event of a nuclear attack on Britain, a Cambridge academic has warned.

The risk of such an attack remains relatively small, said Paul Ingram, a researcher at the university’s Centre for the Study of Existential Risk, roughly estimating a one-in-80 chance of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine resulting in nuclear conflict.

Despite the relative unlikeliness of such an escalation, Mr Ingram said, the damage would be so severe that it merited contingency planning.

“We are going to need to dust off some of the plans from the past,” he said, referring to the plans made during the Cold War. “I assume that somebody inside government is doing exactly that.”

Speaking to The Telegraph, Mr Ingram explained that the Government would need not only to provide leadership, but key services. These might include providing food, shelter, drinking water and energy, as well as maintaining or restoring telecommunications.

Vladimir Putin’s thinly-veiled threats to the West, said Mr Ingram, made nuclear war a more realistic prospect than it was before the invasion.

“It does look like government departments across the piece need to plan quite urgently what each of them would do in this sort of scenario,” he said.

Warnings of a ‘nuclear winter’

Mr Ingram, who was the executive director of the British American Security Information Council from 2007 to 2019, said that a large-scale nuclear conflict would blast enough smoke and soot into the atmosphere to create a “nuclear winter” in which sunlight would be partially blocked for years.

Such a scenario would cause widespread crop failure, exacerbating the plight of the war’s irradiated survivors.

He said: “We need to be thinking about if there was radiation, and if there was less sunlight. What are the best crops to be growing? How can we ensure that seed banks are fully stocked with the seed that we would need?”

Mr Ingram referred to research done by organisations, including the Alliance to Feed the Earth in Disasters, which seeks to identify resilient food solutions in the event of a global catastrophe.

The group suggested that, in a pinch, people could turn indigestible plant matter into edible material by processing it in a paper mill and mixing the pulp with enzymes that break the cellulose into sugar and the hemicellulose into other sugars.

Because it thrives in low light and grows quickly, seaweed might also be a viable food source.

Insects provide food for thought
People might also find themselves turning to insects, said Mr Ingram, “because they’re a source of protein and because they are more resilient to radiation”.

Gastronomes will be relieved to learn that more conventional foods might also be possible. Potatoes, canola and sugar beet are typically grown in low-light environments and, as such, would probably be viable in a nuclear winter.

It is not the right time, Mr Ingram said, for the Government to brief the public about what to do during and immediately after a nuclear strike, adding: “It would be premature.”

Nevertheless, he said, being seen to be prepared might have an additional benefit: making a nuclear strike a little less appealing to our adversaries.

The Telegraph requested comments from several government departments. In response, a Government spokesman said: “As the Prime Minister has said, Russia’s actions are an attempt to distract from the reality of what is going on in Ukraine.

“What we are seeing is innocent people facing a totally unprovoked act of aggression against them, and in response they’re fighting back with a far greater level of resistance than the Kremlin had bargained for.”

Roussette · 06/03/2022 09:56

Abra

Yes a number to ring. But that isn't exactly Visa services in Calais is it... or is it?
Both France and Germany are fiercely critical of our response and the lack of help for those in Calais. A telephone number doesn't really cut it...

Gingerwarthog · 06/03/2022 09:59

[quote HijadelaLuna]www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ukraine-refugees-france-uk-b2029536.html[/quote]
Thanks again for flagging this up. I know lots of us have written to MPs about it already but your post may provoke more discussion and action.

Abra1d1 · 06/03/2022 09:59

You said you wanted a link to the number? That’s all I was offering!

Thewayshetalks · 06/03/2022 10:03

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/03/05/dont-test-britain-ben-wallace-warns-vladimir-putin/?li_source=LI&li_medium=liftigniter-rhr

More fuel being added to the fire this time by Ben Wallace

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