The Invasion is ongoing...Part 8

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@youhadmeatjello

I didn’t see that part *@yoolia* thanks. Wonder what that means

I’m going to have to take a break now after watching the poor poor parents of the 18 month old baby kissing him and crying after he had passed. No words.

I just saw his mother collapse, screaming, “why? why? why?”

I have no words either.

[quote vera99]Faked Kremlin video of Putin and the women!

twitter.com/AlexKhrebet/status/1500170161726369799[/quote]
Comments seem to suggest that's a false theory based on some kind of technical glitch. I have no idea if that is true.

@Booklover3

If Germany imports a lot of gas from Russia then that’s left me wondering if that’s why they sent Ukraine substandard and useless guns etc

Except there has been some misinformation on here. Maybe deliberate?

"The issue does not affect the first batch of German weapons supplies, which has already been delivered to Ukraine.

A shipment of 1,000 anti-tank rockets and 500 fully operational US-made Stinger anti-aircraft missiles was safely delivered this week.

Berlin announced this week that it plans to follow it up with a delivery of 2,700 of the Strela missiles.

But it has now emerged that 700 of the missiles are so badly damaged they are no longer operational.

The German defence ministry was reportedly surprised by the government announcement, because the Strela missiles were declared obsolete and placed in storage in 2014. They are at least 35 years old and had been declared unsafe.
The German defence ministry was reportedly surprised by the government announcement, because the Strela missiles were declared obsolete and placed in storage in 2014. They are at least 35 years old and had been declared unsafe.

The Ukrainian government reportedly specifically requested the missiles despite their age.

But 700 are affected by tiny cracks which have led to corrosion and mean they cannot be used.

Germany is expected to deliver the remaining 2,000 missiles despite the fact they are no longer considered safe to handle."

So they sent a lot of anti tank weapons and anti aircraft weapons that were fine, but some of the other weapons they sent were obsolete.

I must say I didn't believe that picture was for real (or at least that it wasn't a current one) but if reports are correct it took place today where Putin was meeting cabin crew from Aeroflot to celebrate upcoming Womens Day. Whilst bombing women and children trying to escape Ukraine and those very women he is with today likely knowing they are out of a job. Behind those smiles they must have been calling him every name under the sun.

It looks like it's going to take a woman to get 'the job' done

LBC are reporting there are 150 Ukrainians who have arrived in Calais, desperate to travel to the UK to join their families but our government are saying they have to travel to Paris first to get visas before returning to Calais, a 600 mile round trip. It beggars belief ...

@cakeorwine well that makes a lot more sense. Thank you for the clarification.

@wheresmymojo I haven't watched Winter on Fire yet but it comes highly recommended. But I have also read criticism of it such as this www.thenation.com/article/archive/the-heartbreaking-irony-of-winter-on-fire/

@cakeorwine and yes potentially deliberately.

Someone mentioned the endgame?

Putin wants Ukraine and will stop at nothing to get it, even if it means killing half the Ukrainian population and destroying the country. Look at how many Ukrainians were killed by Stalin. Millions starved.

I don't understand how on the one hand Putin is saying that Ukrainians are Russians, and that they should (re)join the Russian family, and on the other hand he seems intent on bombing them into oblivion.

Can someone explain why our government publish strategies such as Johnsons 6 point plan for defeating Putin? Isn’t information like this supposed to be secret?

@StormzyinaTCup

I must say I didn't believe that picture was for real (or at least that it wasn't a current one) but if reports are correct it took place today where Putin was meeting cabin crew from Aeroflot to celebrate upcoming Womens Day. Whilst bombing women and children trying to escape Ukraine and those very women he is with today likely knowing they are out of a job. Behind those smiles they must have been calling him every name under the sun.

It looks like it's going to take a woman to get 'the job' done

Picture isn’t real (if you mean this one?) twitter.com/alexkhrebet/status/1500170161726369799?s=10

whoops sorry already posted upthread, could possibly be a deep fake video though

@Anoooshka

Someone mentioned the endgame?

Putin wants Ukraine and will stop at nothing to get it, even if it means killing half the Ukrainian population and destroying the country. Look at how many Ukrainians were killed by Stalin. Millions starved.

I don't understand how on the one hand Putin is saying that Ukrainians are Russians, and that they should (re)join the Russian family, and on the other hand he seems intent on bombing them into oblivion.

I think he expected an easy victory and if he could go back in time now he wouldn't do it because he probably feels humiliated....but now he's in and it's gone 'wrong' and it's the sunk cost fallacy kicking in so he's going to double down and make sure he gets Ukraine so he wins.

What he's saying about them being Russians is just to Russian people as part of his propaganda...so by that 'logic' the people he's killing are nazis and not Russians, they're the people who they are liberating the Ukrainians/Russians from.
He doesn't actually believe what he's saying!

Zelensky's response to Putin's fake microphone

twitter.com/llamedos77/status/1500237736845926400?s=10

[quote Bellalastrasse]@Ahoyaship

I echo other posters on being. Be very careful how you approach this. I kept hearing references to Russian soldiers and felt I should be responsible and find out - I kinda of wish I hadn’t. It was very brutal and dehumanising and to be honest, the thoughts of what happened to the women haunted me.[/quote]
Sorry, I'm not quite sure what you mean by "be very careful how you approach this." NCdBcOuting requested some reading material and I provided some suggestions, people don't need to read further if they don't want to know. It is brutal and dehumanising, it's a horrific psychological weapon of war which all too often, gets covered up. My examples were from the Red Army in WWII but it certainly isn't unique to them.

Just woke up and checked the news. The main events overnight seem to be:

Biden and Zelensky have talked to discuss sanctions and more US military, humanitarian and economic assistance.

Visa and Mastercard are to suspend their Russian operations.

IMF have announced they could approve $1.4 billion emergency funding as early as next week.

Russia has dropped powerful bombs on residential areas of Chernihiv - a city North of Kyiv.

A Senior official from Medicin sans frontieres has warned of the catastrophic humanitarian situation in Mariupol and said it is vital civilians are evacuated.

Ukrainian military sources say that Russian forces continue to focus on Kyiv.

Aircraft coming out of Belarus has been involved in air strikes on military and civilian targets in Kyiv.

All information below from The Guardian online.

He's writing an essay. For a Newspaper. Fucking hell last time he did that we got Brexit.

He’s probably written another one about why the invasion is a Good Thing and has agonised for days before deciding which one to publish.

Interesting article which suggests what Putin’s long term aims may and may not be. Which doesn’t detract from the complete horror of what is happening.

www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/why-john-mearsheimer-blames-the-us-for-the-crisis-in-ukraine

He expected an easy victory because of (a) people welcoming him with flowers, and (b) because of his highly superior army.

None of this happened. It must hurt.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon
Do you think he really believed he would be welcomed with flowers? Maybe the soldiers/ conscripts did but could he be so deluded?

@nonono1

Maybe we do need to cut our consumption of oil and gas, drastically right now. Not just us the whole of Europe.

@PestorPeston I don’t really see what good that would do when only 3% of the UK’s gas comes from Russia? EU countries might be a different story, I believe Germany imports a lot more gas from Russia than we do. Not sure about other EU countries.

Supply and demand though, we buy a fair amount of gas from Norway, which now has more demand and less supply, so prices will go up for everyone. Spain’s gas comes from Morocco and Algeria but they’ve seen notable price increases, the gas is nothing to do with Russia but the world market is changing. It makes sense to try to reduce our gas dependence on an economic and environmental level.

[quote changeyourname11111]Interesting article which suggests what Putin’s long term aims may and may not be. Which doesn’t detract from the complete horror of what is happening.

www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/why-john-mearsheimer-blames-the-us-for-the-crisis-in-ukraine[/quote]
Very interesting article - thank you for posting.

My personal view & having lived during the Cold War is that I think we shouldn’t be cowed by him.

He threatens us then call his bluff. We cannot appear to weaken because of a threat of nuclear war. I don’t want to live in a world where the bully wins every time.

And if he has stuff against the current government, I doubt any of us going to be very surprised.

Why is the DM publishing boris’s six point plan? Surely that defeats the object of making a grand presentation of them in the coming days?
I don’t understand why he’s pushing through to take centre stage like this - it’s making me
More and more uneasy. He really does believe he’s Churchill doesn’t he?

@Anothermnuser

Not sure whether it’s been mentioned but noticed that Clive Myrie and Lyse Doucet haven’t been on BBC News today. I wonder whether they’re trying to get out now?

I heard Lyse on the radio some time in the last few hours - World Service. Don't forget the BBC isn't just TV and arguably the World Service is its most important outlet in times like this - people listen to it and interact with it from all over the world. And rely on it.