The Invasion is ongoing...Part 6

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Things are ramping up. No end in site as yet.

Link to thread 5 here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4494173-The-Invasion-is-ongoing-Part-5?pg=1

Sorry if this has been mentioned, the thread moves v fast:

the twitter account that was c&p'd upthread with details of Macron's conversation w Putin doesn't tally with what Le Monde is reporting he said.
Le Monde quotes in inverted commas : "the worst is yet to come", not "we expect the worst."

It may seem minor, but they are not the same thing.

Everyone in Ireland speaks English, so presumably the UK could just take the country back, no-one would mind.

Well a lot of prominent Brexiteers suggested that... with stupid like that about your own country, it's hardly surprising there's ignorance about the RoW.

@AuldAlliance

Sorry if this has been mentioned, the thread moves v fast:

the twitter account that was c&p'd upthread with details of Macron's conversation w Putin doesn't tally with what Le Monde is reporting he said.
Le Monde quotes in inverted commas : "the worst is yet to come", not "we expect the worst."

It may seem minor, but they are not the same thing.

A very good reminder to try and read news in it's original language if you can.

For those feeling anxious this might help: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60557186

I shared on an earlier thread a worksheet that I was given when having CBT for anxiety that might help those who are really struggling, if it helps I’m happy to share it again.

@oakleaffy
Hitler also ranted for hours, fuelled by amphetamine.

I wonder if Putin, too is made paranoid by steroids or amphetamines?
It could help explain his intransigence

I really recommend last night's Newsnight (BBC iplayer). One section was a discussion by various experts who have known/studied Putin for years. David Owen in particular, who trained as a doctor, had a very interesting viewpoint: in short, 'Roid Rage seems likely (due to either anabolic body-building steroids, as part of his narcissistic 'he-man' image) or cortico-steroids for any number of possible health issues.

@mybeautifulnewwashingmachine I am not sure what you are trying to say with all your posts and lectures that we are all illinformed.

We know that Ukraine has long standing troubles. Are you of the opinion that the way to end those troubles is for Ukraine to be invaded and its people slaughtered? Because you really do seem to be making excuses for Putin.

@YouSayYesISayNo

Everyone in Ireland speaks English, so presumably the UK could just take the country back, no-one would mind. While they are at it, the UK should just take over the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South African and a few other places.

I mean, there just might be a few pro-British residents in those countries, so they should really still be part of the UK.

I heard someone speaking German in the street today so I am guessing Germany is going to invade my little village soon.

Thank you, @CaveMum . I keep referring to this.

[quote alltheapples]@Bluebellsunderthetrees Britain has committed human rights abuses. Does that give Putin the right to invade us?[/quote]
I am not saying Putin has a right to invade Ukraine. I am saying I don't want risk millions of other lives to support an army that appears happy with Nazi views and committing continuous human rights abuses against its own citizens. You explain to me how their actions are justifiable and how you think they de-escalated their civil war and won those people away from Russia based on the UN findings? You want to support that?

@holliem91

I have been following all of these threads but not posted anything as I have no real knowledge to be able to contribute.

I keep telling myself I need to step away from the internet/MN but it's almost like I've become obsessed with following what is happening.

Is anyone else feeling so sick with worry? I don't want to be left alone at the moment, I have a constant sinking feeling, struggling to eat and sleep and can't shake the thought of a nuclear war.

I have a 2 year old and right now I'm feeling incredibly guilty for bringing her into this shit show of a world. I wish all this would stop. I wish the people with higher power would realise how this is affecting normal civilians who just want to get on with normal day to day life. Every morning I wake up and hope that there has been a ceasefire and that this would all just be over.

I wanted to start a new thread but feel there have been too many so far and don't want to be jumped on for scaremongering.

Hey, I felt the same over the weekend. I have realised a lot of it for me was about not being in control. I asked DH to look at nuclear bombs and the fallout range etc... because I didn't want to see it myself, read the wrong thing and loose it completely. So he did and I was reassured that the initial blast sites are very small 1-2 miles, outside that the chances of survival go up, people survived only 300m from the blast in Japan, advice is to stay somewhere underground or the middle of your house/building with little to no windows or glass doors. Most of the initial radiation falls down after 15 minutes.

I've stocked up on long life milk and tinned of food that can be eaten without heating, lots of water and other non perishable snacks.

Here is a link for the article if you want to read it, I found it reassuring that there were things I could do to make my chances of survival higher.

www.businessinsider.com/how-survive-nuclear-attack-fallout-radiation-2017-6?r=US&IR=T

For anyone that feels the need to tell me why it might not work, etc etc... please don't bother. I've got myself to a place mentally where I am finally felling calm, and I really don't need anyone making me anxious all over again just for the sake of it.

I understand that Wales intends on starting a civil war in Patagonia as there is quite a large population of Welsh speakers there

We intend settling matters by jousting with giant leeks.

Thread moves fast - I have missed a lot. I read what was released about Putin's call with Macron - Putin sounds completely unhinged. For the first time since this all started I stopped thinking about him as a normal person - he has crossed over into Hitler-style cartoon villain territory. Or perhaps the opposite - this is the first time I've had a glimpse of what watching a dictators rise to power may have been like.

@ClaudineClare

I understand that Wales intends on starting a civil war in Patagonia as there is quite a large population of Welsh speakers there

We intend settling matters by jousting with giant leeks.

@ClaudineClare 😂😂😂

Aled Jones will sing the national anthem and the only referee available to ref such an important match is the legend that is Nigel Owens.

Remember "this isn't soccer"

@CaveMum the cbt sheet would be useful for reference - thanks

@ClaudineClare

I understand that Wales intends on starting a civil war in Patagonia as there is quite a large population of Welsh speakers there

We intend settling matters by jousting with giant leeks.

Those are banned by the UN.

@DrBlackbird

The site is being over run by people posting Russian propaganda that is demonstrably false

Hard to know if there are bots or bloggers paid to post pro-Russian sentiments on MN or just regular folk with particular ‘anti-west’ whataboutery beefs/agendas for whatever reasons.

Russian paid trolls and bloggers were found to be active on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Stitcher, YouTube, and stand-alone websites. These accounts masqueraded as regular citizens and organizations from a wide variety of political orientations or from no obvious political orientation at all, but the central aim was to create a new front in a long-term competitive strategy designed to undermine US institutions.

Not a long shot to say that we’ve seen some of that here given that it’s a well established political strategy. It is interesting to think how insidious and effective this strategy is given that a) we’re suspecting either some bots or paid bloggers here and b) how these insidious comments might sway some posters?

I think it is really important to check sources

But I think it is also important to realise that (a) not all information is or could be reported and so looking further at issues and finding out wider information is a good idea and (b) how the UK reports things is different from how other European countries report things, different from how the US report things, different how Asia reports things and provided you check the source as being generally seen as legitimate and trustworthy it is definitely worth looking at how other countries report things. Even if in a foreign language you can google translate a page.

A lot of posters here are too closed minded and too sheep-like in my opinion, without meaning to be too critical, and it is worth being open minded after checking sources. Some of the "popular" posters here are still very subjective and so you need to apply critical thought to their posts too. Propaganda is all over the place and it is important to be independent minded.

Can I just say also that your constant posts along these lines are an alternative to being accused of troll hunting, I get that, but my advice is if you think someone is talking crap call them out on it, and be specific about what exactly you think is rubbish and why, don't hide behind insinuations. That way these discussions are transparent.

www.rte.ie/news/world/2022/0303/1284250-lukoil-russia/

Purpleboy, it is absolutely about control. I can control what I know, hence spending literally the majority of my day on this thread and associated links! So despite GAD im nice and calm (if a smidge hyperfocused)

I can't control if a nuclear war starts, so I'm not worrying about it. No point 🤷🏼‍♀️

@valerianaofficiana

Current news coverage BBC: Putin claims Ukraine using civilians as human shields, detaining foreigners for same purpose - note the chosen foreigners. Indian and Chinese as neither has denounced Russia, so playing for their domestic audiences, this is obviously false news but will help to turn public opinion in these countries pro-Russia. Putin playing large on fallen soldiers, promising large pay-outs to their families. Putin threatening the countries who backed Hitler, watch out Finland. Man is mad.🤬

This is not obviously false news. The Greeks said they were not allowed to leave Mariupol. This does not mean I support Putin it is just providing information. "When asked by SKAI news if he planned to leave the city, Kiouranas responded “how can I leave? When you try to leave you run the risk of running into a patrol of the Ukrainian fascists, the Azov Battalion.” greekcitytimes.com/2022/03/01/greek-in-mariupol-fascist-ukrainian/

“They would kill me and are responsible for everything,” he added.

I have only read part of the thread so apologies if this has been mentioned already. I keep thinking of an interview on R4 Today this morning with a Ukrainian Professor in the UK, he is from Mariupol and his mother still lives there. As the interview progressed it became clear that he has lost all contact with his mum over the last few days. He then said that his mother is 85 years old, immobile, bedbound and is totally reliant on the kindness of neighbours coming in to change her, turn her in bed, give her food. He didn't know if the neighbours were still able to get to his mum or help her. She must be one of so many in the same terrible situation, unable to escape the conflict and completely helpless in her home, totally reliant on others to care for her. To have family members in that situation but uncontactable - must be so awful.
The next item after that interview was about the DEC emergency appeal so I donated, it seems all that I could do to help the aid effort in some way

The co-op has withdrawn the sale of Russian Vodka!

How are the people of Mariupol going to get help before they die. THIS IS THE THIRD DAY WITHOUT WATER.

"There has been no light, no heat, and no water now for two full days and we have hardly any food left," said Maxim, 27, an IT developer who was hiding in his grandparents' apartment on Thursday morning.

"Food and medicine is not moving in Mariupol now. The local government tried to give out bread and water but it is gone," he said. "I filled the bath with water before the water stopped. We have about five litres left."

Maxim left his apartment after the Russian invasion began last week to be with his grandparents, who are in their eighties and cannot leave their sixth-floor, city-centre apartment. The three of them are sheltering with their pets in the hallway of the apartment, with no heating in the depth of winter, hiding from a barrage of shelling.

"The shelling started again at six this morning," Maxim said. "The city was completely black overnight, there was no source of light apart from the explosions. It was quiet for a few hours but then at dawn it started again. We can hear it now from every direction. We are terrified.""

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60601235

bluebellsunderthetrees
Have you read the UN report that article you quoted upthread (on the death rate in Donbass) refers to?
The two don't tally.

The article says this:
According to the UN High Commissioner, when compared to the previous period, there was a 51% increase in Donbass casualties between February 1 and July 31 2021, accounting for 62 killed and wounded civilians. 81% of civilians died from Ukrainian shelling and more than 80% of hits during the reporting period led to destruction.
infobrics.org/post/34477/

The UN report says this:
Thirteen civilian casualties resulted from active hostilities, while 47 resulted from mine-related incidents and handling of explosive remnants of war. In addition, one man was also killed in a security incident and one woman was beaten by a soldier.
ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2021-11/aPR32_final_ENG.pdf

Genocide

Zelenskyy made an interesting point earlier that I hadn't considered. The Russian soldiers themselves are transporting mobile crematoria into Ukraine. Putin is literally having these boys carry the means of disposing their own dead bodies into war with them. I can't understand why there isn't mass dissent/revolution. Surely they are aware of what they are for? It is monstrous. This entire thing is the most monstrous thing I've ever seen. I can barely sleep.