The Invasion is ongoing...Part 6

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Things are ramping up. No end in site as yet.

Link to thread 5 here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4494173-The-Invasion-is-ongoing-Part-5?pg=1

British Red Cross are saying money not goods.

I know some don't like her, but JK Rowling's charity Lumos is taking donations for Ukraine and guarantees that the whole of the donation goes to the cause rather than some being used for admin etc.

www.wearelumos.org/get-involved/ukraine-appeal/

@notimagain Didn't mean it to come across aggressively! but i'm fed up with hearing the Russians are stalled/poor Russian soldiers/desertion/morale etc etc

Yes 5% might be all or any of these but fundamentally, the Russians are advancing and their tactics are becoming increasingly more savage, they are all monsters, following orders is no excuse.

Lavrov emphasising the NATO Ukraine thing & talking about negotiation, Putin has full support of Russian federation.... hope this is like a footie manager having the full support of his chairman.

Morning. I’m not scared but am pretty depressed today. Not that this helps anyone.

Truck maintenance thread fascinating and ties in with several other stories about corruption and officers lying about war readiness. But who is bombing Mariupol then?

The list of international companies and organisations that are curtailing or ceasing operations in Russia continues.

The latest: the World Bank, Spotify, H&M, Citigroup.

@hassletassle

Various drives in my area to collected food and sleeping bags plus first aid supplies etc, to go on lorries to Ukraine. I'm wondering if the people who really need these things will actually receive them? Might certain areas be overloaded with similar items? Would it be more helpful to donate cash to a particular charity or fund instead?

Yes cash is much better - it’s not like the infrastructure has broken down in Poland, there are shops and warehouses.

And there’s also the environmental impact of a thousand van journeys, and not clogging the roads up

Mark Urban

Day 8 Pointers:

• Renewed Russian effort to move twd Odessa possibly including naval landings
• RU aim to advance east of Kyiv, isolate Chernihiv
• Ukraine weapons re-stock incl TB2 drones, Stinger missiles, anti-tank missiles
• UA refugees will pass 1m

twitter.com/MarkUrban01/status/1499313272541036546?t=JkXu63Kl83DxC7MiXX3rDQ&s=19

Have any countries booted out the oligarchs? We need far harsher sanctions against the, right now, today. Won't happen here in the UK though, for obvious reasons.

"Video from western Crimea showing much of Russia's naval grouping in the Black Sea. I count the Pyotr Morgunov Project 11711, two Project 1171, and 5(?) Project 775 large landing ships. "

mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1499259886189830148

Russia has mobile cremators? According to a tweet Chris Bryant MP retweeted. Suggesting Russia uses it for cremating Russian soldiers

I am really wary of getting news from Twitter as who knows what is true and what isn't , but this is a verified account. The bravery is astounding.

twitter.com/InnaSovsun/status/1499316479770169346?s=20&t=mIUhd3hh0UKhB8xnujZ62Q

@DomesticatedZombie

www.nytimes.com/2022/02/27/business/china-russia-ukraine-invasion.htm

'As the world overwhelmingly condemns Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the Chinese internet, for the most part, is pro-Russia, pro-war and pro-Putin.'

@DomesticatedZombie - I’ve just spoken to my nephew who lives in Hong Kong and he says that is not really the case. The Chinese are against Russia just not quite as much as other countries.

@AuldAlliance There are some very good balanced articles here about what is going on - Nazis in Ukraine, Zelensky is a US puppet, West involvement etc Certainly explains why people should be pressurizing Ukraine to negotiate not madly calling for escalation based on social media propaganda memes of soldiers and puppies .

www.thecitizen.in/index.php/en/NewsDetail/index/6/21533/Ukraines-Neo-Nazis?fbclid=IwAR3q-Lvtei5Y4hdgVS0ae-Xeu5JKy-Sr5akEhxBqfX5li8UxOwaoP4L9i6M

www.thecitizen.in/index.php/en/NewsDetail/index/4/21525/The-Media-and-War

www.thecitizen.in/index.php/en/NewsDetail/index/6/21532/Ukraine-Crisis---US-Supports-Germanys-Bid-to-Emerge-as-European-Superpower

Inastatus

The article does discuss how the attitude on Chinese social media doesn't necessarily reflect the majority view of Chinese society - could be a similar thing to our 'Twitter effect' where Twitter gives a very distorted representation of social attitudes.

I think we need to remember Ukraine has 15 nuclear reactors at four separate plants plus of course Chernobyl. They need constant maintenance. The Ukrainians understand this better than any other nation.

@DomesticatedZombie - thanks, I’m guilty of not having read the article thoroughly before posting.

Latest BBC. What does it mean I'm confused 'Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is giving a news conference in Moscow.
He says that US President Joe Biden has said the only alternative to sanctions is a third world war - and Lavrov goes on to say that a third world war could only be "nuclear war".
He says that is only in the heads of Western politicians - and is not in the heads of the Russian people.
"If real war is waged against us then those who make such plans should think about it [and] in my opinion such plans are being made," he says.'

• 'Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is giving a news conference in Moscow. He says that US President Joe Biden has said the only alternative to sanctions is a third world war - and Lavrov goes on to say that a third world war could only be "nuclear war". He says that is only in the heads of Western politicians - and is not in the heads of the Russian people. "If real war is waged against us then those who make such plans should think about it [and] in my opinion such plans are being made,"*

So the Russian narrative will be that the west are the ones threatening nukes.

@elephantmarchingin

Latest BBC. What does it mean I'm confused 'Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is giving a news conference in Moscow. He says that US President Joe Biden has said the only alternative to sanctions is a third world war - and Lavrov goes on to say that a third world war could only be "nuclear war". He says that is only in the heads of Western politicians - and is not in the heads of the Russian people. "If real war is waged against us then those who make such plans should think about it [and] in my opinion such plans are being made," he says.'

The guy is nuts. Wasn't it Putin who put his nuclear weapons on high alert in the first place? Now it's the west's fault.

Without dialogue there is no peace.

Putin is quite ruthless enough to keep killing Ukrainians until the ones left are willing to talk. But even he would probably prefer to avoid this route.

@hassletassle

* 'Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov is giving a news conference in Moscow. He says that US President Joe Biden has said the only alternative to sanctions is a third world war - and Lavrov goes on to say that a third world war could only be "nuclear war". He says that is only in the heads of Western politicians - and is not in the heads of the Russian people. "If real war is waged against us then those who make such plans should think about it [and] in my opinion such plans are being made,"*

So the Russian narrative will be that the west are the ones threatening nukes.

A path to a peaceful ceasefire needs to be forged now before this chaos is inflicted upon us all. Any unexpected provocation on either side could rapidly spiral out of control.

Weren't the Ukrainian and Russian supposed to be having a second meeting yesterday evening ?

The views of people in Hong Kong are like likely to be far removed from those of people in the mainland.

As the world overwhelmingly condemns Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the Chinese internet, for the most part, is pro-Russia, pro-war and pro-Putin.

As someone with thousands of WeChat contacts I can say that this is correct. Though I wouldn’t say “pro war” as such. The view is more that the West has unwisely goaded a military response out of Russia by being unwilling to put the Ukraine NATO/ EU issue to bed, and now everyone’s fucked.

Interesting that on the same thread I’ve heard from different posters that “Chinese people are completely unaware of the war” and yet “the Chinese internet is strongly pro war”. Fairly symbolic of the largely uninformed bullcrap we hear about China on a weekly basis.

@Greattimestroubledtimes

Morning. I’m not scared but am pretty depressed today. Not that this helps anyone.

Truck maintenance thread fascinating and ties in with several other stories about corruption and officers lying about war readiness. But who is bombing Mariupol then?

The issue with maintenance is less of a problem in the south near mariupol. Its on the coast so can be bombed from off shore plus the weather is more favourable - less mud so the tyre problems are so much of a thing as if they get stuck in heavy mud.

With regards to Levrov's statement, my best guess (and I'm no expert) is that it's an attempt to paint Russia as the victim to the Russian public. It could also be an attempt to increase support for Russia taking a very aggressive stance in Ukraine- Russian people will be just as frightened by the notion of a wider conflict as people in the west. I highly doubt that Levrov seriously thinks that NATO instigating a Third World War is credible.