The Invasion is ongoing...Part 5

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Unbelievable to think that a few days ago the world was starting to look more positive..ye we find ourselves on a fifth thread discussing the horrors of the war in Europe. An unbelievable change has happened to the world we live in.

Some incredible firmed posts have been written, informing, discussing, and occasionally derailing. Let's hope the news is more positive by the end of this one.

'Many casualties' in Mariupol and water supply stops, as Ukraine claims Russia preventing evacuations.

news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-latest-news-putin-nuclear-nato-peace-talks-live-updates-12541713?postid=3455846#liveblog-body

BBC reports

Second round of Ukraine-Russia talks expected
It now appears that a second round of talks between representatives of the Russian and Ukrainian governments are to take place.

The two sides met on Monday, but with no obvious results.

A Russian delegation is reportedly heading to a meeting point for talks, according to Belarus' Belta news agency.

It did not say where, or when, the discussions would take place.

Earlier, Russian state news agency Tass reported Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov as saying Russia had a delegation ready to continue talks.

And Ukrainian presidential adviser Olexiy Arestovych earlier told Suspilne TV that talks would take place.

But he said: "I think things will stay the same. Nothing will change. We will stick by our position."

I found this an interesting read on support for Putin in Russia, where it stands currently and where it may go. And what the likely future is for Putin himself.

The Beginning of the End for Putin? Dictatorships Look Stable—Until They Aren’t

[quote Cam77]@ClingClingDin
Russia claims it is not targeting civilians in Mariupol. For this family and many more, that is hard to believe.

Russia has nothing to gain by targeting civilians. Invading Ukraine is already a war crime. No point in making stuff up.[/quote]
It might not be deliberately targetting them atm, but if you're going to shell a city civilians are going to get hurt, aren't they?

I think that deliberately targetting civilians comes more when a city is taken over, there is violent resistance of the occupying troops and then they start threatening / killing families to keep the adults from guerilla warfare. It will come if Putin succeeds; it almost always does, from what I've read, where subjugated populations still resist.

Just heard on the radio from a reporter in Keiv, that the Russian military are having a lot of problems with Belarusian soldiers ,who do not want to fight. No idea of the truth of this, but he sounded very certain.

I’ve missed 6 pages on the thread while doing some work… but after listening to the news and reflecting on what some people have posted, I’ve come to two conclusion.

One, that even though this is just one tiny nothing thread on a platform for parents, I find it incredibly strange that we have so many experts on the history of NATO, Ukraine and Russia who are essentially being Russia apologists.

Two, I’m no longer engaging with any of those posts as this feels incredibly disrespectful to the thousands of Ukraine citizens being murdered as we sit here. Women, babies, children, men, the aged and infirm dying and 100’s of thousands displaced from their homes and their country.

Nothing, absolutely nothing condones the actions of Russia/Putin. Nothing. It’s bullshit of the highest order. Sickening even.

@DrBlackbird

I’ve missed 6 pages on the thread while doing some work… but after listening to the news and reflecting on what some people have posted, I’ve come to two conclusion.

One, that even though this is just one tiny nothing thread on a platform for parents, I find it incredibly strange that we have so many experts on the history of NATO, Ukraine and Russia who are essentially being Russia apologists.

Two, I’m no longer engaging with any of those posts as this feels incredibly disrespectful to the thousands of Ukraine citizens being murdered as we sit here. Women, babies, children, men, the aged and infirm dying and 100’s of thousands displaced from their homes and their country.

Nothing, absolutely nothing condones the actions of Russia/Putin. Nothing. It’s bullshit of the highest order. Sickening even.

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree @DrBlackbird

This is interesting www.nytimes.com/2022/02/28/us/politics/ukraine-russia-microsoft.html

@DrBlackbird

I’ve missed 6 pages on the thread while doing some work… but after listening to the news and reflecting on what some people have posted, I’ve come to two conclusion.

One, that even though this is just one tiny nothing thread on a platform for parents, I find it incredibly strange that we have so many experts on the history of NATO, Ukraine and Russia who are essentially being Russia apologists.

Two, I’m no longer engaging with any of those posts as this feels incredibly disrespectful to the thousands of Ukraine citizens being murdered as we sit here. Women, babies, children, men, the aged and infirm dying and 100’s of thousands displaced from their homes and their country.

Nothing, absolutely nothing condones the actions of Russia/Putin. Nothing. It’s bullshit of the highest order. Sickening even.

Spot on.

Amy news on what the 40m long convoy are doing? Have they reached their destination? Are they active in terms of warfare?

@anotherperson1

Amy news on what the 40m long convoy are doing? Have they reached their destination? Are they active in terms of warfare?

I wonder if Putin heard about the queues of lorries going into Dover and wanted to create a longer one?

The weather is about to become a factor in Ukraine's favor:

www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/t51mw2/general_winter_may_be_coming_to_ukraines_rescue/

Heavy snow will greatly hamper the movement of Russian troops and supplies.

That subreddit is pretty good, as is this one:

www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/

As always with Reddit, you have to be a bit skeptical but there is a lot of good info there.

@MissConductUS

The weather is about to become a factor in Ukraine's favor:

www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/t51mw2/general_winter_may_be_coming_to_ukraines_rescue/

Heavy snow will greatly hamper the movement of Russian troops and supplies.

That subreddit is pretty good, as is this one:

www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/

As always with Reddit, you have to be a bit skeptical but there is a lot of good info there.

The Met office are forecasting some snow, but with the temperature around 0 it could easily be just warm enough to be rain instead. I doesn't appear a really cold snap is on the way in Ukraine.

But I wouldn't want to be sat in my truck without fuel in the 40mile convoy.

Russia has nothing to gain by targeting civilians. Invading Ukraine is already a war crime. No point in making stuff up.

They are using cluster bombs in residential areas, innocent children have been killed.

Russian soldiers have admitted they are targeting civilians.

They have used missiles on apartment blocks, I’m not sure how anyone can deny/disbelief they are targeting civilians when there is clear evidence to advise otherwise.

The weather is about to become a factor in Ukraine's favor

Sadly not for people trying to flee the country.

@StrychnineInTheSandwiches

I found this an interesting read on support for Putin in Russia, where it stands currently and where it may go. And what the likely future is for Putin himself.

The Beginning of the End for Putin? Dictatorships Look Stable—Until They Aren’t

Thank you, that's extremely interesting.

On a lighter note, I am really interested to know what the normal Russian person thinks of all this!

I believe TikTok is still online in Russia, so downloaded the app.

I put "teenage Russians" in the search ... I just hope my TikTok history is never looked at as hundreds of scantily clad young Russian girls suddenly appeared on my screen!

Can you imagine that on a AIBU thread??

Anyway does anyone have suggestions any other places I can look, or up to date articles?

The PP earlier who said her ILS were from a Russian Army family and any discussion of casualties would be classed as act of Treason, was a real insight.

Putin won't like this

BREAKING - Georgia plans to submit bid to join EU on March 3 - TASS reports, citing ruling party
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@DrBlackbird

I’ve missed 6 pages on the thread while doing some work… but after listening to the news and reflecting on what some people have posted, I’ve come to two conclusion.

One, that even though this is just one tiny nothing thread on a platform for parents, I find it incredibly strange that we have so many experts on the history of NATO, Ukraine and Russia who are essentially being Russia apologists.

Two, I’m no longer engaging with any of those posts as this feels incredibly disrespectful to the thousands of Ukraine citizens being murdered as we sit here. Women, babies, children, men, the aged and infirm dying and 100’s of thousands displaced from their homes and their country.

Nothing, absolutely nothing condones the actions of Russia/Putin. Nothing. It’s bullshit of the highest order. Sickening even.

The people here giving reasons is to explain why negotiation is needed for a ceasefire. No one here has condoned war at all. Everyone I have read so far is sickened by it. But they are also aware that the crappy sanctions that affect normal people and the bombastic war continuing language is not going to help. Why are the world leaders not doing more to ensure that peace keepers go in while there is negotiation. Who could lose by that action? Ukraine wouldn't be forced into anything, and the fighting would stop.

But no. And this is what I find sickening. Biden in the state of the nation address jubiliant that they are going to take yachts from oligarchs, to mass applause and lots of smiles. They should be sober, surely, sombre, appalled at what is going on across the atlantic and talking about how to get a ceasefire not banging on about taking yachts, and laughing at how clever they are, and plunging all normal people into panic about world war and economy crashes? What is his game? Why the jubilance at this moment?

Russia has asked for ceasefire negotiations. Ukraine says it is going to stick to its hardline on principle. I think both leaders should be pressurised to agree to UN going in while other issues are resolved.

Only public opinion is going to turn this around. And I think public opinion should be ceasefire with UN peace corps and then negotiations. And no more sanctions. Because that is what will help the people on the ground.

Russia is officially reporting 498 Russian soldiers dead so far.

I'd imagine the real figure must be 5 times that? More?

@HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend

*Russia has nothing to gain by targeting civilians. Invading Ukraine is already a war crime. No point in making stuff up.*

They are using cluster bombs in residential areas, innocent children have been killed.

Russian soldiers have admitted they are targeting civilians.

They have used missiles on apartment blocks, I’m not sure how anyone can deny/disbelief they are targeting civilians when there is clear evidence to advise otherwise.

Well said…,

I’m still trying to get my jaw off the floor having read some of the linguistic and semantic contortions I’ve seen on MN this afternoon on this subject.

Its is all well and good saying that the UN should send in peacekeepers, but the UN does not have an army. Peacekeepers come from the militaries of members of the UN. There are only a handful of nations who have both the expertise and numbers of troops to lead such an operation in such a large country. I doubt that the presence of 10,000s of US troops as peacekeepers is going to go down very well in Moscow, because that is what you are suggesting.

@FatFucker

On a lighter note, I am really interested to know what the normal Russian person thinks of all this!

I believe TikTok is still online in Russia, so downloaded the app.

I put "teenage Russians" in the search ... I just hope my TikTok history is never looked at as hundreds of scantily clad young Russian girls suddenly appeared on my screen!

Can you imagine that on a AIBU thread??

Anyway does anyone have suggestions any other places I can look, or up to date articles?

The PP earlier who said her ILS were from a Russian Army family and any discussion of casualties would be classed as act of Treason, was a real insight.

There are a lot of film crews interviewing normal people in Russia, on youtube. This one is about the economy but there are a lot of others.

@continu
Yep. It’s the gleefulness of some of the headlines that sickens me personally - as if people are watching it from their sofas while munching popcorn and rooting for their heroes and placing bets and comparing weapon power.
I know there are lots of people who are not like this at all and who are genuinely shocked and sending food and medicines and blankets to the refugees etc
But I can understand why posters feel the need to counter the first type of rhetoric

@Mrsorganmorgan

Just heard on the radio from a reporter in Keiv, that the Russian military are having a lot of problems with Belarusian soldiers ,who do not want to fight. No idea of the truth of this, but he sounded very certain.

This is what is so desperately sad-these countries don’t hate each other (or didn’t until now) and the human scars across the region are going to last for decades, and all because of the whim of one utterly nasty horrid excuse of a man