The Invasion is ongoing...Part 5

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Unbelievable to think that a few days ago the world was starting to look more positive..ye we find ourselves on a fifth thread discussing the horrors of the war in Europe. An unbelievable change has happened to the world we live in.

Some incredible firmed posts have been written, informing, discussing, and occasionally derailing. Let's hope the news is more positive by the end of this one.

@JellyNo15

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60571737 Wish the general Russian population could be shown the real truth as to what is going on and not just see the propaganda. Are they able to access the WWW without it being restricted?

No, they can't. The same in China, by the way. I was out there a few years ago (have family in Shanghai) and was surprised to discover I couldn't access BBC news amongst others.

@anotherperson1

They are using maps and signs? Why no Sat nav?

Yesterday it was reported that the Russians were communicating over unsecured radio rather than digitally, meaning they were audible to civilians.

twitter.com/sbreakintl/status/1498619303717142529

On Channel 4 news last night there was a Moscow academic who is advisor to the Kremlin on Russian/EU relations. He condemned the invasion as evil and was very negative about the whole thing.

I didn't see that on Channel 4 news but it sounds very much like the same chap that I heard on sky news yesterday:

news.sky.com/video/russian-policy-adviser-depressed-and-embarrassed-by-invasion-12555231

Chardonnay haha

Me too pretty much

@minsmum

With regards to sat navs and maps, I vaguely remember something from the Russian Afghan campaign. It was said that part of the reason it went so badly for them was that only officers were taught map reading because they didn't trust the conscripts. So when their officers were killed they were lost. I wonder if it's part of the same thing in not trusting their ordinary soldiers

I remember this too. Here in the uk it's the officers who are known for being unable to read a map 😁

Physical maps don't run out of battery and can't be hacked or jammed like GPS might be so do have their uses.

'If that is true, I must say I love the Ukrainians sense of humour in a crisis.'

I loved the footage of them wearing pots and pans on their heads during the 2014 revolution when gatherings where people wore helmets were banned. Winter on Fire on Netflix is a great watch for anyone who is interested in the conflict but doesn't know much about the background.

@Muminabun
Excellent post.
It's so hard to comprehend how someone who has clearly lost his reasoning will still have his orders unquestionably obeyed.

[quote Yeahthat]@TonTonMacoute

Interesting. I didn't see this. We can only hope that it is the case.[/quote]
you can see it here www.channel4.com/news/russian-public-may-change-attitude-to-conflict-if-war-is-long-says-academic

Brave man. I hope he survives speaking out.

@Alexandra2001 I can see that it is perverse. It's just that I cannot change it. I have been expressing my displeasure at almost every decision made by my government makes for years now, but it hasn't changed them. I can choose what do do with my money, social media etc, so that is something that is in my control.

Can you imagine your invading force being lead by the sat Nav woman's voice, a tank blasting out

"At the roundabout take the 2nd exit towards city center A309"

😂

He has Chelsea up for sale for £4bn

Finance experts have warned that Chelsea could face going out of business if the government sanctions Roman Abramovich...

Kieran Maguire, a football finance lecturer at Liverpool University, told The Times: ‘If he feels he is being made a scapegoat for the activities of Putin then the worst-case scenario is he tries to call in the [£1.5billion] loan [to Chelsea]'

'...He and Putin could argue that it is the British government that has destroyed Chelsea Football Club.’

Dr Rob Wilson, a finance lecturer at Sheffield Hallam University, has similar concerns, saying: ‘If the government do seize the assets, in which case they seize Chelsea, that is probably for him a bit of a final straw.

metro.co.uk/2022/02/26/chelsea-could-go-bust-if-roman-abramovich-is-sanctioned-16179592/

Ahh Just clicked on the Channel 4 link and my link relates to a completely different interview, not the same chap.

@Clavinova ..... and? 1000s are dying in Ukraine.

i do seem to recall you poking Germany on their reluctance not to cancel NS2 but now we must favour a key Putin ally because a foot club might go bust....

Putin is surrounded (okay from a distance) by people who are too under informed or too frightened to gainsay him. He believes that his armed forces are the best with the best equipment because no one dare say otherwise.

MarshaBradyo

Come now, we all know you're a right wing extremist

[quote SeedsSeedsSeeds]@Alexandra2001 I can see that it is perverse. It's just that I cannot change it. I have been expressing my displeasure at almost every decision made by my government makes for years now, but it hasn't changed them. I can choose what do do with my money, social media etc, so that is something that is in my control.[/quote]
i do 100% agree with you - i just wonder what is behind the lack of real action on sanctions, just seems like a lot of hot air.

I did read it was down to the Tories not wanting embarrassing information on the scale of Russian funding of the tory party being made public.

@FOJN

MarshaBradyo

Come now, we all know you're a right wing extremist

Haha

Think the barometer might be broken ;

@FOJN Can we please move on from this shite? no one gives a 4X about your spats DM each other if it bothers you.

[quote Alexandra2001]@FOJN Can we please move on from this shite? no one gives a 4X about your spats DM each other if it bothers you.[/quote]
Так точно!

Looking at our own youth, I would be totally unsurprised to learn Russian kids can't read maps either. Leaving them reliant on hackable tech (and bear a thought for what's not being reported that's going on in cyberspace) and misdirection from mischievous parties.

Which does make you wonder why the most accurate maps of the UK are Russian Soviet-era ones. Which showed inside a lot of military bases the OS maps just had as blank boxes. Plus details of river depths and tides that aren't usually published.

Just sympathising with Chardonnay scroll on by…

'...He and Putin could argue that it is the British government that has destroyed Chelsea Football Club.’

Then some of these expensively paid footballers need to chip in with the ££££ to bail the club out.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon Mariupol is under constant heavy bombardment, mass civilian casualties, millions displaced.

Thoughts? You do normally add some good stuff.

Starmer is making Johnson wriggle re Putin's oligarchs £ in Londongrad

Yvette Cooper was Chief Secretary to the Treasury in 2008 -

The mystery of who owns Witanhurst, London’s second largest house after Buckingham Palace, is so great that some locals say they have spied Putin on its grounds, though he hasn’t been in Britain in almost a decade.

The 25-bedroom, grade II listed mansion in Highgate, north London, was bought by a company based in the British Virgin Islands (BVI) for £50 million in 2008.

But it was only in 2015, after The New Yorker magazine published an investigation into the house, that the identity of the company’s beneficiary was disclosed: Andrey Guryev, a Russian billionaire and former senator.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/secrets-of-300m-witanhurst-the-oligarch-mansion-q375pf9mr

Roman Abramovich bought Chelsea Football Club in 2003 - under the watchful eyes of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.

Sorry, Alexandra, I'm utterly lost.

I still cannot comprehend any of this.