The Invasion Has Stalled

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So here we go. Four days in and the third consecutive thread on the conflict in Ukraine. The last two threads are a credit to the members of mumsnet. Who knows where thread four may find our world?

Thank you all.

Thread two : www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4491025-The-Invasion-Continues

This threads have been most informative.
Who would try putin for war crimes? Would it be the UN?

@Hlglu56

Sweden are sending arms now, something that they have not done since 1939. They’re not even NATO. Is this just a show of unity from all these European countries or is there something else going on? Are they just trying to deter Putin from invading another European country after Ukraine? Has he got plans they know about? Or are they piling the pressure on to get Putin out ?

Sweden is worried about Finland, I would imagine.

The person who said we should prepare for war- how exactly?

Belarus has been a stooge state with Luka just about maintaining some autonomy. He does his best to keep his personal fief on the road and his 'independence' is helpful to Putin as he is an automatic +1.

The Russian troops heading down through the radioactive zone and nearby to threaten Kyiv are the ones that have made this war what it is. There is no 'easy' take Kyiv strategy without this.

Do you think Putin's long table is a way of keeping everyone (including his own defence minister) at a 5m length, to prevent an internal assassination attempt? As an ex KGB agent he will no all about perfume poisonings, dodgy umbrella tips and polonium in the tea cup. How does he sleep... he must be watching his back permanently.

At some point would Ukraine have to surrender in order to save the rest of us?

Is this a thread about a thread ?

Also, do none of the security agencies know exactly where he is? Can’t they drop a bloody bomb on him?

This article in the Telegraph reckons this has been years in the making and is coldly calculating the clash of civilisations.

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/02/27/wests-cost-living-crisis-gave-putin-impetus-strike/

In 2014, as it was locked in dispute with the West over the annexation of Crimea, Russia began constructing the “Power of Siberia” gas pipeline to Asia, which runs alongside ESPO, which started delivering gas to China in 2019.

Moscow and Beijing have also agreed on a second pipeline – “Power of Siberia 2” – which would double gas exports from Russia to China, crossing through Mongolia and into the power-hungry industrial regions near Beijing.

Europe currently uses around 541 billion cubic metres of gas a year, substantially more than China’s 331 bcm consumption. But Chinese demand is set to reach 526 bcm by 2030, as Beijing reduces its dependence on coal-fired power. As such, Asian markets could soon eclipse Western Europe as a market for Russian gas.

At the same time, Russian oil giant Rosneft, agreed with China’s CNPC to supply 100 million tonnes of oil through Kazakhstan over the next decade, extending an existing deal.

Last week, the Kremlin’s appetite for war was finally revealed as Russia invaded its smaller neighbour. Yet preparations for this attack have been literally years in the making.

Perhaps a stupid question.

How do Russia get out of this? Is there a way back or do they just keep escalating?

@littlenickyy61

surely if he used a nuclear option against Ukraine then Russia would suffer from the fall out too. That why I feel he won't

IANAE but nuclear fallout over Russia is not a definite afaik. There is no "nuclear weapons mean xyz", it depends on the type of weapon, and the altitude where it is detonated.

A tactical detonation bang smack in the centre might not effect other countries at all.

Or at least that is how I remember it, disclaimer that my memory could be wrong.

@Motherdare

At some point would Ukraine have to surrender in order to save the rest of us?

Possibly. The alternative would be NATO getting involved to avoid living in a world where everyone has to tiptoe around Putin and his demands. The only good option is Putin's death in the very near future. Personally, I'd like it be to slow and agonising but as quickly as possible would be in everybody's best interest.

@Suzi888

Is this a thread about a thread ?

It's the 3rd thread in a series because MN only allows 1000 posts.

Also, do none of the security agencies know exactly where he is? Can’t they drop a bloody bomb on him?

I would imagine he's holed up somewhere very secure and reinforced. I'd like to know how his food is being dealt with. I doubt he's living on packets of sealed nuts and raisins. Who's doing his cooking? There must be opportunity to poison him.

The Russian convoy headed to Kyiv from is a big one.

I hope they Ukrainian army intercept it.

I think money might stop this one before morals.
Hopefully very soon.

News agencies put the cost to Russia at about $20 BILLION (!!) a day.

The rouble is crashing.

Putin will be out of funds quickly.

There’ll be a run on the banks very shortly.

Sadly, it’s Russian citizens who’ll suffer the most compared to their countrymen who have caused this war. Economic recovery will take decades.

You’d love to see the Kremlin stormed and a rehash of the French Revolution.

Hopefully, there’ll be financial support for Ukraine but the impact on those who survive will be huge.

I was watching a story on the Irish news tonight. Ukrainian men living in Dublin are flying to Poland and continue into Ukraine via landbridge to join the fight.

It’s just unfathomable.

@Suzi888

Is this a thread about a thread ?

No. A continuation of the first Mumsnet thr as on Ukraine - I think I started the first within ten minutes if associated press putting the he said the invasion over the wire (I work nights and happened to be looking for news updares at the time). This thr as has actually become my go to for information as there's not only superb commentary and thought provoking threads but eyes and ears and bullshit filters reporting new info in almost real time.

Interesting story in the Guardian online about Natalya Tyshchuk and her baby Mia, in the children's hospital in Kyiv. I think this was the hospital that suffered from Russian artillery shelling last night.
Mum and kids (including Natalya and Mia who was born prematurely) have to go the hospital basement when the sirens go off and take shelter (with all the equipment, tubes etc needed).

@Suzi888

Is this a thread about a thread ?

No, it's the third in a series of threads on the same topic. Do you have a problem with that?

According to satellite pictures a column of Russian troops and tanks 3.75 miles long, 40 miles outside Kiev.

@Motherdare

At some point would Ukraine have to surrender in order to save the rest of us?

Never, I hope.

What do you think would happen if Ukrainian backed down and Russia won? Do you think Putin would stop there? No, he’ll continue to move further west.

Doesn't he have a vast underground palace? I vaguely remember reading about it a while ago

Extremely informative and helpful threads. Thank you.

Is there the chance of a black ops or similar to help the Ukraine by the west does anyone know ? Or is that too risky ?

I've also been following these threads since the very beginning. I frequently re-fresh the threads along with BBC as my source of info.

If the babies wake in the night I even check my phone in the night to keep up with what's going on hoping Ukraine is hanging on in there. I haven't checked my phone in the night, ever.