The Invasion Has Stalled

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So here we go. Four days in and the third consecutive thread on the conflict in Ukraine. The last two threads are a credit to the members of mumsnet. Who knows where thread four may find our world?

Thank you all.

Thread two : www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4491025-The-Invasion-Continues

@Roundeartheratchriatmas

Is there the chance of a black ops or similar to help the Ukraine by the west does anyone know ? Or is that too risky ?

I would imagine too risky. We can't put boots in Ukraine as they're not NATO.

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Glad to find a current discussion, joining.

@vera99, interesting about China wanting more gas. If Russia can sell all its gas to China, then Western countries would have to resort to coal for a short time ? Takes a while to build up nuclear energy capacity. Now who is the biggest producer of coal in the world currently ?

@VerandaSanta

I've also been following these threads since the very beginning. I frequently re-fresh the threads along with BBC as my source of info.

If the babies wake in the night I even check my phone in the night to keep up with what's going on hoping Ukraine is hanging on in there. I haven't checked my phone in the night, ever.

Another one checking for updates in the night.

Thanks for the thread.

So the Russian mafia will either be unable to access their assets and cash; or it'll be worth nothing after a run on the Russian banks.

Is that the plan - to let them take care of neo-Nero? Clean hands from everybody else.

Ukraine needs to hold on until the morning when the markets open

If putting Kyiv under siege and starving civilians became the new strategy do we think that foreign countries/the UN would drop food in from planes? Over the active war zone.

I remember reading about I think it was ?Berlin? When the RAF were running flights several times a day to drop food because supply lines had been cut off. That was during the Cold War. Of course a very different context now.

I'm sure I heard someone say that Russia has built up quite a massive warchest in gold ?

And target that convoy.

@theyhavenothingbuttheaudacity

The person who said we should prepare for war- how exactly?

We could start with far harsher sanctions, wtf is Russia still in the World Cup? More defence spending, reverse the current defence cuts of equipment and 10,000 personnel which unbelievably are going ahead.

Be prepared to taking 100s of 1000s of Ukrainian refugees.

Ban from entering, seize assets, kick out or imprison any Russian inc those given UK passports with Putin sympathy's, like the Chelsea guy.

@Roundeartheratchriatmas

Ukraine needs to hold on until the morning when the markets open

It think it's going to be a long, hard night for the Ukranians, Russia is going to pound them relentlessly.

Thanks for the thread.

Have been hearing from friends in Russia about the scale of dissent, and the violent policing of protests.

ukrainianinstitute.org.uk/russias-war-against-ukraine-what-can-you-do-to-support-ukraine-ukrainians/

Could you tell us more @Drybird2020 ?

How is the average Russian feeling and how much do they know ?

Not if you strip them of all ID/give new ID and they join the "foreign legion".

Then they are just Joe bloggs from wherever with a yellow armband on. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Surely that convoy must be ripe for airstrikes? It is a bizarre world when sky news basically is reporting on tank movements. There can’t really be any possible element of surprise for the Russians.

Why wouldChina want to get into this: they may need gas but they are the top producer in the world ...if there is a massive world recession with massive inflation who would want to buy anything? China economy relies on excellent distribution and foreign consumption .... Reading Caixin it seems that they have been caught totally by surprise without recalling any of their nationals...

@Drybird2020

Thanks for the thread.

Have been hearing from friends in Russia about the scale of dissent, and the violent policing of protests.

Is it more than is being reported?

I think Russia will be banned from World Cup. Sweden have already said they refuse to play against them.

Totally agree with your post Alexandra

Does anyone know what happened to the British couple trapped in Kyiv with their newborn surrogate babies?

I don't see any surrender. Even if the government is destroyed there will be a continued insurgency, especially in western and central Ukraine if the whole country fell or had a client government imposed.

Afghanistan? Russia would have another Afghanistan.

Has it been done before? Yes: UPA.

UPA operated from 1942 to 1950. Nazis occupying? Soviets? Didn't matter.

militaryhistorynow.com/2014/03/03/stuck-in-the-middle-the-forgotten-and-bloody-history-of-the-ukrainian-insurgent-army/

Was it a perfect organisation? Oh Lord no. But it keep going. Poles especially remember its truly darker side (and its actions are one of the reasons so many ethnic Ukrainians within Poland ended up being relocated to what had been southern East Prussia in post 1945 shift the borders westwards Communist Poland).

[Ukraine has just as much an intertwined back story with Poland as with Russia.]

If it exemplifies one thing it is the Ukrainians just not letting go and stoically standing your ground aspect of the culture.

So a decapitated and subdued Ukraine would have people fighting on but this time from urban areas and through cyber means as well as out in the forests.

But hopefully this does not come to pass. Ukraine is holding out well and the Russian forces are not performing as Putin assumed. How things will stand though is a week or so, I just do not know.

@Bunnycat101 I hope so. Do they have the capacity ? If we know about it surely they do.

If I knew that was coming at me disabling it would be a priority.

If you are moving a line of tanks as long as reported, I doubt the element of suprise is important to you.