The Invasion Continues...

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Thread two as thread one is complete...

Any links to that
@Inthesameboatatmo ?

Anonymous might do some very helpful stuff, hopefully.

@Ncwinc

They do some really good work.

They do yes. They have publicly claimed responsibility for it at least. I suppose so Russia propaganda can't blame any other country for it .

@NobodysGonnaKnow

Any links to that *@Inthesameboatatmo* ?

@NobodysGonnaKnow. Can't link unfortunately . I just googled latest on Ukraine . Its on an official new channel but I can't remember which one

It's the BBC or independent

The Ukraine President has demonstrated the power that a mobile phone and some SM savvy can have in this situation, using it to prove his safety and communicate directly with his people and the rest of the world. Not so easy these days to spread disinformation when the chips are down. It also has the benefit of giving him a relatable face; apart from being very brave, he seems very real in a way Putin certainly does not.

@Gingerwarthog

Watching BBC news live on the Polish/Ukrainian border. The Polish people are making vats of sweet tea and cooking pierogi for the refugees, donating clothes and making sure that pairs of shoes that have been donated are neatly organised and paired (especially children's shoes).

The Ukrainians have shown such strength in this.

The polish have shown such empathy. They've been amazing in what they've stepped up to do and help.

2 things I fear will have an effect on Putin - but anger rather than pleasure.

@blueshoes

The occupation of Ukraine by Russia (let's hope it never gets to that, go Ukraine!) will be Russia's Afghanistan. Won't that be ironic.

"Russia's Afghanistan" has given me the first laugh I've had for days.

Doctored how?

Fake news- so the whole of the Uk media is showing faked news about Ukraine

They were talking about the photo images and how you could see they were all faked (doctored)

I worry about things like Deep Fakes. Videos being created with people who look like a President and whose voice sounds like them. Easy to confuse people and spread chaos and misinformation.

During the Battle of the Bulge, English speaking Germans were parachuted in wearing American uniforms to confuse troops and spread misinformation.

Nowadays, it's so much easier to do spread confusion and give misinformation

I'm watching the odd video of allegedly captured young Russian soldiers being berated by grown men. If this is happening, I think they were on to something the other day feeding the poor sods and letting them ring their mothers.
(I'm looking at Reddit).

What a time to live through :(

@BronwenFrideswide

Of course we would assume today's invasion would have been carefully planned and prepared for, but it's entirely possible it was not. The forces sent to Ukraine/Belarus were ostensibly sent for short-term exercises. It would have been a very small circle around Putin that planned for invasion instead, and it's entirely possible they are not that competent, or that Putin overrode their advice (as Hitler and Stalin both did).

Military analysts have been saying for a long time that Russia's military is much improved but still has serious flaws, and it's been a very long time since Russia engaged in a large-scale ground campaign. It's not unthinkable that they're making some major mistakes.

One of the Russian soldiers pictured as being captured by the Ukranian forces looked incredibly young, perhaps a number of them are young and inexperienced.

Russian weaponry seems to be vastly improved but does that also apply to the general troops?

There's been reports that some Russian soldiers have shown surprise that a) they are in Ukraine and b) they aren't still on an exercise.

Not as someone mentioned above the truth is war is the biggest casualty. But it's not inconceivable to believe that some of the younger soldiers have been duped and have bought into what they've been told.

My ds is 17. They are still impressionable at this age despite them also starting to form very strong opinions of their own. And despite their strong opinions the ability to stand by their beliefs is much harder without the emotional maturity and financial independence to do so.

Do the Russian people have no backbone, do they support their leader? I would assume they support Putin because they carry on whist he invades another country.

Putin is one man. One man. Do the people of Russia support him. It appears they do since the whole country could if they chose to do something. They sit silently whilst their country invades another, killing innocent people.

Russian people should be ashamed of their country. More sanctions, more condemnation of their actions until they realise that what Putin is doing is either in their names or not.

@cakeorwine

But even in Russia children and teenagers have access to social media and are able to see the truth

Less access now with Twitter and Facebook being blocked.

Which in itself is a signal to young people that they are not being told stuff.

Agree.

What these elder people in charge forget is that SM etc is the age of our teens and young adults. They've grown up with it. We've learnt to grow into it and how it works.

They are much more savvy about it and able to ask the right questions when it comes to media blacks.

@WeAreTheHeroes

The international reaction is galvanising against Russia, as the withdrawal of sporting events, etc shows. Making it a pariah state could give the Russian populace impetus to call for regime change and make those close to Putin rethink things.

Good.

It doesn't go far enough. It should be massive sanctions. I wish the entire world would unite against these evil dictators such as Putin.

@User1isnotavailable

Do the Russian people have no backbone, do they support their leader? I would assume they support Putin because they carry on whist he invades another country.

Putin is one man. One man. Do the people of Russia support him. It appears they do since the whole country could if they chose to do something. They sit silently whilst their country invades another, killing innocent people.

Russian people should be ashamed of their country. More sanctions, more condemnation of their actions until they realise that what Putin is doing is either in their names or not.

THIS 100%

@User1isnotavailable

Do the Russian people have no backbone, do they support their leader? I would assume they support Putin because they carry on whist he invades another country.

Putin is one man. One man. Do the people of Russia support him. It appears they do since the whole country could if they chose to do something. They sit silently whilst their country invades another, killing innocent people.

Russian people should be ashamed of their country. More sanctions, more condemnation of their actions until they realise that what Putin is doing is either in their names or not.

I presume you haven't seen any of the mass protests that have happened in Russia then I take it..?

@Phrenologistsfinger

Bombing a Ukrainian orphanage was a seriously low move. Poor Ukraine.

Putin needs to go, now.

Oh my. Has Putin really bombed a Ukrainian orphanage!

Where are the nice people of Russia. Any on here. What do you have to say about your leader and the actions of YOUR country?

At last. BBC reported

"Germany has backed imposing ""targeted and functional" restrictions on Russia's membership of the Swift payments system"

@WeAreTheHeroes

Russia has blocked Twitter and Facebook. The average Russian with a smart phone must surely realise this is censorship for very dubious reasons.

Forgive my ignorance, but will they be able to use VPN's to get around this block?

User1 - please look at the pictures of the anti-war Russian protesters in St Petersburg.
Every single one of them knew they would be arrested.

The tiny protests in Russia you mean. More Russians need to stand up and be counted. He won't listen to reason from the rest of the world.
Will he listen to his own people? If enough of them bother to protest rather than a few then maybe he will. He wants to be popular.

It's not about mass protests. It's about the people of Russia rising up with violence if needs be and over throwing the regime . That's what needs to happen.

Regime change can only come from within and it can only come from those in power or with power.

I wonder what pressure is being applied to those people, from their own families, people close to them?

Hitler was paranoid about people close to him wanting to assassinate him. There were attempts on his life by people in the military who did not want Germany to be destroyed by his actions.

It needs people with power in Russia to topple Putin.

Please don't discount or disparage those Russian protesters. They are incredibly brave.